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Old 5th August 2013, 00:35   #31
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Have just been watching some TBHP offroading events on youtube (posted by a member Vishnu R and they are titled as Team BHP, so I am thinking they are from the TBHP offroad meets). Here's the link:



Now in this particular video, Lake Bed 4x4, there appears a gentleman with sunglasses, a light shirt and full trousers, who is probably the scout or the guide. Interestingly on many occasions he is actually gripping the vehicle, as if he can guide them on the right track with his bare hands, or as if he can prevent them from toppling over by his physical strength. In the footage post 6:50, a jeep is trying to climb a steep mound and the rear left wheel is lifting off the ground, robbing it of some crucial traction. An enthusiastic gentleman climbs aboard the rear gate, one foot on the gate and the other on the left hand corner of the jeep (and I see there are holds - meant for hands or feet I dunno). The intention seems to be to weigh down the rear, but isn't this terribly risky?

And all through the video I see people so dangerously close to the vehicles tackling the obstacles, it would be impossible for a driver to take an obstacle through sheer momentum and steering, for the fear of hurting some of these over-enthusiastic participants.

Finally I simply can't make out if the people are scampering about more than the vehicles.
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Now in this particular video, Lake Bed 4x4, there appears a gentleman with sunglasses, a light shirt and full trousers, who is probably the scout or the guide. Interestingly on many occasions he is actually gripping the vehicle, as if he can guide them on the right track with his bare hands, or as if he can prevent them from toppling over by his physical strength.
That is Arka, among all the offroaders I know, I think he is the only guy who can offer relatively more physical support with his bare hands. I guess Arka can answer more elaborately w.r.t your query. You must meet him sometime.

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In the footage post 6:50, a jeep is trying to climb a steep mound and the rear left wheel is lifting off the ground, robbing it of some crucial traction. An enthusiastic gentleman climbs aboard the rear gate, one foot on the gate and the other on the left hand corner of the jeep (and I see there are holds - meant for hands or feet I dunno). The intention seems to be to weigh down the rear, but isn't this terribly risky?
That is Major Roy I guess. Of course there are dangers, but these guys with their experience have seen quite a lot of such situations and know the fine line between a roll over and a successful recovery.

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Thanks Tejas for starting this very important thread and Sudarshan for adding to the list. Having the retrieval equipment is a must but learning how to use one safely is even more important. I recently attended a 4X4 workshop, held by one of the Tbhp members and was amazed to know how much damage a simple hi lift jack can cause to life if not used with caution. In fact it can be life threatening. In the same way not clearing the area around when a vehicle is being winched or towed out of an obstacle (usually heavy slush) can be dangerous. So i suggest that we must observe safety even while using these equipments as they can do more harm if used improperly.
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Here is an example of what happens if the wrongly rated tow cable is used. The tow cable belonged a newer offroader, so we didn't realise it was not rated. As the towing started, a photographer got too close. I yelled at him and asked him to move out of range. The moment he moved out, the cable snapped.

A rare photograph of a cable snap in action.

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Very graphic but should make people realize what happens when you don't stay away from a towing operation:



@Mods - please remove if too graphic but its definitely relevant.
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Have just been watching some TBHP offroading events on youtube (posted by a member Vishnu R and they are titled as Team BHP, so I am thinking they are from the TBHP offroad meets). Here's the link:



Now in this particular video, Lake Bed 4x4, there appears a gentleman with sunglasses, a light shirt and full trousers, who is probably the scout or the guide. Interestingly on many occasions he is actually gripping the vehicle, as if he can guide them on the right track with his bare hands, or as if he can prevent them from toppling over by his physical strength. In the footage post 6:50, a jeep is trying to climb a steep mound and the rear left wheel is lifting off the ground, robbing it of some crucial traction. An enthusiastic gentleman climbs aboard the rear gate, one foot on the gate and the other on the left hand corner of the jeep (and I see there are holds - meant for hands or feet I dunno). The intention seems to be to weigh down the rear, but isn't this terribly risky?
Hi Honeybee,

Physically manhandling a vehicle is very dangerous. Sometimes we have to hold a vehicle to prevent a roll-over, it a calculated risk and not advisable to try it.

The most dangerous act is standing on a vehicle to act as a counterweight, some of these are natural responses and takes time to do away with.

In TPC2012, one of the BODA, teams, narrowly missed serious injuries, while standing on the Gypsy rear bumper, and it broke, with the person falling down.

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Now this is wrong on so many levels:

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Although not so much of a technical nature as the other points discussed here, l'ld like to add that:

1. You should always enquire about the area you intend to off road in ... its quite easy to stray into private property or any other sensitive area without realising you're breaking the law (or getting on the property owners nerves)

2. Try to leave your trails /camping sites in fair condition after you finish your outing, ie I'm talking about badly dug up tracks by our aggresive mud terrains, and / or leaving behind dirt or garbage.

I feel these points will take more and more relevance as years go by... Hope we never come to the point where there are innumerable restrictions placed on off road driving due to our own carelessness😀
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Yes it's a gory pic, but we hope to remind you that 4 wheeling is dangerous and you NEED to do it right the first time. Keep your egos at home and don't hesitate to ask if you are unsure about anything. Luckily he gets a second chance (a lucky few do) and makes a full recovery after this incident. See his story on the YouTube link attached.

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WARNING - A chilling reminder to TAKE EXTREME CARE when using "SNATCH STRAPS"
The "All 4 Adventure" boys came back to see Rhett Walker at remote, 1 million acre, Lorella Springs Wilderness Park, Savannah Way, Gulf of Carpentaria, NT, after his horrific accident.

Often when Rhett and the boys travel on the many tracks on Lorella they tow a large grader tyre to flatten the track behind them.

This tyre was attached with a nylon "snatch strap" that is standard for most outback vehicles to assist other vehicles in boggy conditions.

At the end of the strap was a short length of chain around the actual grader tyre so that the strap does not wear as it drags across the ground. The chain was connected back to itself with fencing wire.

The tyre hooked up, stretched the strap, then the connection to the tyre let go and fired the chain, shattering through the rear windscreen.

The chain smashed into the rear of Rhett's skull producing a huge haematoma, wrapping around his head, opening up a massive wound to the front of his forehead, across his left eye, shattering the bones around the eye and damaging the eye, smashing his jawbone, and cutting right through to the inside of his mouth.

He lost a huge amount of blood in the first few seconds, and then continued to bleed out over the next hour while I was driving him back to the station homestead. We had packed his head wounds with as much tissue and toilet paper as we could, but he still continued to bleed profusely. By the time we were back at the station he was drifting in and out of consciousness, having lost litres of blood.

We were all sure that he was going to die.

We contacted the homestead by satellite phone and they contacted Darwin Hospital. When they heard the seriousness of his condition, Darwin Hospital arranged for CareFlight to immediately dispatch both a rescue plane as well as a rescue helicopter.

Because the property is one of the most remote in Australia, the doctors in the CareFlight plane could not arrive until 7pm that night, and Rhett was not loaded onto the helicopter until 10.30 pm that night. This was in no way a reflection of the service of CareFlight, as they arrived as quickly as possible, and we thank them for their outstanding efforts. It was the fact that Lorella is one of the most remote places in Australia. Careflight said it was the most remote pickup that they had ever done.

The doctors who saw the MRI of his skull fractures told him afterwards that the only other MRI's they had seen, of skulls smashed that bad, had been on corpses. ... Tough little bugger, isn't he? That's what they call "Territory Tough". ( "Lorella Tough" is even tougher.)

As I said, we all thought that Rhett was going to die at the time, but he has come through, is back at Lorella, and loves Lorella even more. We are probably the most remote place in Australia, and that is one of the many things that everyone loves about it.

So take EXTREME CARE when using "SNATCH STRAPS"
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