Go Back   Team-BHP > Buckle Up > 4x4 & Off-Roading > 4x4 Excursions


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 30th January 2009, 10:12   #16
Team-BHP Support
 
khan_sultan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 4,631
Thanked: 2,947 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hrag View Post
Now the important question - which gear and which ratio?
Till this time, after my t-case gear mod, I had not put in 4L. This was my first attempt at that and I did this in 4L-1. It moved an inch by inch. If you observe the pictures, you can see that 'brake lights' come ONLY in the last picture (when I braked). Till then it just crawled inch by inch.

With a stock gypsy, I would have had to do it in 'momentum' (Like how it was attempted in Sarjapur OTR at Varthur road lake side and I literally landed on my Chassis)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sha View Post
... tyres made to climb it easily.
If there was no JT event Khan would have tried climbing the trail.
If i had tried in my stock gypsy my front bumper would have gone for tossing and back cannot guess what would have happened.
Yes. The tyres made a lot of difference & for sure I would have tried to take the Gypsy up the slope if this were near Bangalore.
Also, Sha is correct. This could have NO way been done with a Stock Gypsy. The front Bumper would have been ripped out & rear overhang would have got some solid beating.
khan_sultan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2009, 10:47   #17
DKG
Senior - BHPian
 
DKG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Hyderabad
Posts: 3,706
Thanked: 911 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by khan_sultan View Post
This was my first attempt at that and I did this in 4L-1. It moved an inch by inch.
Was the engine idling or you had to give it some throttle? If your Gypsy could scale that without much fuss then you really do have a hot offroader Shahnawaz and perhaps you don't need a diesel after all. If on the other hand the engine had to be stressed a lot to climb that rock then a torquey diesel would make the Gypsy a dream machine
DKG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2009, 10:56   #18
Team-BHP Support
 
khan_sultan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 4,631
Thanked: 2,947 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DKG View Post
Was the engine idling or you had to give it some throttle? If your Gypsy could scale that without much fuss then ... you don't need a diesel after all.
Oh, no stress at all. It was just a very very light touch at the accelerator pedal. Infact you could hardly hear the engine running and not only here but in all of the JT OTR also, there was absolutely no 'momentum' required for the Gypsy and there was no stress on the engine while crawling.
khan_sultan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2009, 11:02   #19
DKG
Senior - BHPian
 
DKG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Hyderabad
Posts: 3,706
Thanked: 911 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by khan_sultan View Post
Oh, no stress at all. It was just a very very light touch at the accelerator pedal. Infact you could hardly hear the engine running and not only here but in all of the JT OTR also, there was absolutely no 'momentum' required for the Gypsy and there was no stress on the engine while crawling.
Absolutely fantastic !! Rock crawling on tickover is a treat to watch. BTW instead of the auto lockers do you have the option of a manual locker for the Gypsy? And can that be done for the front diff too?

Another question Shahnawaz. While I may be wrong I feel the Jeeps have more suspension travel compared to the Gypsy. What do you think and if you feel so too any option of improving the travel on the Gypsy?

Last edited by DKG : 30th January 2009 at 11:18.
DKG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2009, 11:06   #20
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: bangalore
Posts: 85
Thanked: 3 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by khan_sultan View Post
Oh, no stress at all. It was just a very very light touch at the accelerator pedal. Infact you could hardly hear the engine running and not only here but in all of the JT OTR also, there was absolutely no 'momentum' required for the Gypsy and there was no stress on the engine while crawling.
I think its time for you install a hand operated "turn knob" accelerator. Ideal for crawling, I am sure you know the advantages of having one of these. & increase the wheel articulation

Last edited by renamo : 30th January 2009 at 11:08.
renamo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2009, 11:25   #21
Team-BHP Support
 
khan_sultan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 4,631
Thanked: 2,947 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DKG View Post
.. BTW instead of the auto lockers do you have the option of a manual locker for the Gypsy? And can that be done for the front diff too?
Yes. The ARB Air Lockers, Button operated -- means that you choose when to engage the diff locks. Would cost ~75K for rear and similar amount for front.

Quote:
..While I may be wrong I feel the Jeeps have more suspension travel compared to the Gypsy. What do you think and if you feel so too any option of improving the travel on the Gypsy?
Yes. No doubt that jeeps have more suspension travel then a Gypsy. One option in Gypsy to increase suspension travel is to cut the fenders for more suspension play and wheels to move up. I have seen this in many of Samurai's pictures

Quote:
Originally Posted by renamo View Post
I think its time for you install a hand operated "turn knob" accelerator. Ideal for crawling, I am sure you know the advantages of having one of these. & increase the wheel articulation
Don't know. Am comfortable with the Gypsy steering & the 'play' it has. Wheel articulation is not a problem currently as I have done away with the 'anti-sway bar' and don't feel the need for any more articulation as yet.

Last edited by khan_sultan : 30th January 2009 at 11:26.
khan_sultan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2009, 11:36   #22
DKG
Senior - BHPian
 
DKG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Hyderabad
Posts: 3,706
Thanked: 911 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by khan_sultan View Post
ARB Air Lockers
Its the air compressor bit that doesn't make the ARB setup appealing to me. During your research did you come across ones from Lockrite which are electric or manual lockers for the Gypsy?

Quote:
One option in Gypsy to increase suspension travel is to cut the fenders for more suspension play and wheels to move up.

Wheel articulation is not a problem currently as I have done away with the 'anti-sway bar'
In your estimation how many more inches of wheel travel did you get with the anti roll bar disconnected?

The fender problem is on account of the larger tyres?

BTW what is the wheelbase of Gypsy?

Last edited by DKG : 30th January 2009 at 11:41.
DKG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2009, 11:53   #23
Team-BHP Support
 
khan_sultan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 4,631
Thanked: 2,947 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DKG View Post
Its the air compressor bit that doesn't make the ARB setup appealing to me. During your research did you come across ones from Lockrite which are electric or manual lockers for the Gypsy?
No. Don't remember any apart from ARB. I vaguely recollect one 'electric' one's but can't remember exactly which one. However in all my research, i found that the auto lockers are one of the most VFM.

Quote:
In your estimation how many more inches of wheel travel did you get with the anti roll bar disconnected?
Never attempted to check so it is just a gut feel thing --but true. How much, I don't know.

Quote:
The fender problem is on account of the larger tyres?
Yes. You are right. The big tyres would touch the fender edges.

Quote:
BTW what is the wheelbase of Gypsy?
2375 mm (for our LWB Gypsy)

Cheers,

Last edited by khan_sultan : 30th January 2009 at 12:14.
khan_sultan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2009, 12:08   #24
DKG
Senior - BHPian
 
DKG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Hyderabad
Posts: 3,706
Thanked: 911 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by khan_sultan View Post
2375 mm (for our LWB Gypsy)
Interesting I just might be able to load a stripped Gypsy with mud tyres onto my truck for long distance drives

So roughly how much have the mods costed you? And if you were to include a front locker too how much more?

Last edited by DKG : 30th January 2009 at 12:09.
DKG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2009, 15:20   #25
Distinguished - BHPian
 
jkdas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Thiruvananthapu
Posts: 9,635
Thanked: 1,343 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by khan_sultan View Post
You know what, this is why we say that pictures don't do justice to the terrains. This terrain/slope is not so challenging as it looks. Infact some of the easy terrains look tough in pictures and some of the REALLY tough ones look easy.




No :-). But in one of the pictures, you can see an Innova in the background. He was passing by and he stopped to see what this circus is about. He stopped there and maybe was hoping that we will call him for help to pull us out
Great one Sultan. The explanation made a big difference.

More respect to the Gypsy.
jkdas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2009, 15:32   #26
Team-BHP Support
 
khan_sultan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 4,631
Thanked: 2,947 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DKG View Post
...So roughly how much have the mods costed you? And if you were to include a front locker too how much more?
Sir, I will not put a dollar figure to them. The amount of time & effort that I have have put in, the number of weekends at the workshops, searching for parts, reading/collecting information, hearing complaints from my wife for spending my weekends with the mechanics far outnumber the $ amount spent in the mods.
khan_sultan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2009, 16:46   #27
DKG
Senior - BHPian
 
DKG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Hyderabad
Posts: 3,706
Thanked: 911 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by khan_sultan View Post
Sir, I will not put a dollar figure to them.
I understand and agree, was referring to the cost of parts and labour for the mods to see what a new Gypsy with these mods racks up vis-a-vis a new Gurkha
DKG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2009, 19:22   #28
Senior - BHPian
 
Red Liner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 1,982
Thanked: 647 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaggu View Post
Woaaaaaah this is some climber you got there khan saab. Love the short overhang looks, you need to figure something to cover that nanga front while retaining the overhang and the jeep will be a stunner (look wise)
Who cares about the look? The front fender has to be off - thats how it should look! Or else you will just have things breaking in front of you

Looks mean. Looks like Khan solved a major issue plaguing the Gypsies. Maybe the Army should make note of this

Khan, patent it before things go out of hand!
Red Liner is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2009, 20:31   #29
Awaiting Email Confirmation
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: India
Posts: 1,745
Thanked: 19 Times
Default

That's it! no more MM540 dreams, I'm finding myself a gypsy 1.3 mpfi..I'm a complete convert. Who cares if its petrol? If it can climb an incline like that in idle, with that gear set, who needs diesel?
rippergeo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th January 2009, 20:42   #30
Sha
BHPian
 
Sha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Canberra
Posts: 539
Thanked: Once
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rippergeo View Post
That's it! no more MM540 dreams, I'm finding myself a gypsy 1.3 mpfi..I'm a complete convert. Who cares if its petrol? If it can climb an incline like that in idle, with that gear set, who needs diesel?
Welcome to Gypsy board club.
Sha is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Getting drenched in Munnar (Bangalore to Munnar and Kannur) longdriveblusky Travelogues 12 20th November 2012 15:44
Muthodi Forest Drive: The post-OTR meet that became part-OTR meet Samurai 4x4 Excursions 66 18th September 2012 21:58
Munnar OTR General reports Samurai 4x4 Excursions 130 13th February 2009 10:59
Coorg OTR 2008: OTR Photo Log khan_sultan 4x4 Excursions 39 1st November 2008 17:26
Soligere OTR. 26th October 2008 -- A hair raising OTR khan_sultan 4x4 Excursions 51 30th October 2008 11:32


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 15:37.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks