Go Back   Team-BHP > Buckle Up > 4x4 & Off-Roading > 4x4 Technical


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 23rd January 2017, 13:49   #1
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Pune
Posts: 1
Thanked: Once
Default Mahindra Thar: How to make it more comfortable?

Hi all,

This is my first post in this awesome forum and am hoping to get some advice that a novice like me can understand.

I drive a 2014 Thar CRDE without any mods or customisation whatsoever and she has given me excellent performance on both city roads and mild offroading that I have to do occasionally when visiting my farm. In fact, the builder got stuck in his scorpio once on the way down to the farm but Ive never got into a situation which I couldnt get out of.

I'm shifting cities soon and will not be needing the car to offroad too much. Also, my better half has developed some spine problems due to which she cant be comfortable in my car. I'm hoping to mod the suspension for a more comfortable ride in the city or on the highway. I understand that its a tradeoff with offroad capabilities but I cant seem to find definitive content which can guide me to make a better decision.

1) Is installing Composite leaf springs on the Thar CRDE an option? Couldnt find a product for Thar on ARC industries page. There was one for MM540/550 though. If yes, should these only go on rear?

2) If not CFLs, are shock absorbers better for improving ride quality on city roads. I saw AmadaXtreme Comfort shock absorbers on Jeepkart available for 25K for a set of 4. What are the pro/cons for shock absorbers and which model would be best for the Thar.

I'm currently in Pune but will be driving to Delhi in a few weeks. I know Bimbra is an option for getting this work done in Gurgaon but any other leads would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Abhishek
abhisheksikka is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 23rd January 2017, 16:11   #2
BHPian
 
Shubhendra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Poona
Posts: 948
Thanked: 1,107 Times
Default re: Mahindra Thar: How to make it more comfortable?

Quote:
Originally Posted by abhisheksikka View Post
I'm shifting cities soon and will not be needing the car to offroad too much. Also, my better half has developed some spine problems due to which she cant be comfortable in my car. I'm hoping to mod the suspension for a more comfortable ride in the city or on the highway. I understand that its a tradeoff with offroad capabilities but I cant seem to find definitive content which can guide me to make a better decision.
Hi Abhishek,
1) CFLs are available for Thar and if you dont overload your vehicle then you should go for it.
2) Few users are using AmadaXtreme shocks in their stock Thar and happy.

Grizzly Motor Works in Pune is authorized dealer of Amada, search for them in Facebook. They might be able to help you.

Shubhendra

Last edited by GTO : 24th January 2017 at 11:51. Reason: Trimming quote :)
Shubhendra is offline   (2) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 23rd January 2017, 17:56   #3
Senior - BHPian
 
DirtyDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Dharamsala
Posts: 1,781
Thanked: 694 Times
Default re: Mahindra Thar: How to make it more comfortable?

I think you will get very minimal improvement by changing your stock suspension. What may help a good deal more is to spend money on new seats and maybe padded seat covers.
I have no suggestions as to brand. You may have to research this yourself. Up market seats taken out of crashed vehicles are available in India. Getting quality seats and seat covers may solve your problem.
DirtyDan is offline   (3) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 23rd January 2017, 20:48   #4
KMT
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Coorg
Posts: 209
Thanked: 130 Times
Default re: Mahindra Thar: How to make it more comfortable?

A sandbag at the back or a heavy flywheel bolted to the back floor helps. The sandbag is cheap and best, just ensure it is tied securely.
I have reupholstered my seats heavily but it's not much help.
I have installed Ironman shocks and while high-speed roll and pitch is well controlled, low speed ride has become choppy like a Gypsy��.

I carry loads regularly so CFL is not an option.

Can we install sprung seats like lorry/ busdriver seats?
KMT is offline   (6) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 24th January 2017, 08:26   #5
BHPian
 
samaspire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Manipal / Udupi
Posts: 873
Thanked: 2,089 Times
Default re: Mahindra Thar: How to make it more comfortable?

Check out this post about the Bose suspension system:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ml#post3907165 (So you thought BOSE only made music systems?)

If you can source it, it's the perfect solution for your problem
samaspire is online now   (2) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 24th January 2017, 08:46   #6
Team-BHP Support
 
Samurai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: B'lore-Manipal
Posts: 22,042
Thanked: 13,487 Times
Default re: Mahindra Thar: How to make it more comfortable?

If you do not have offroading needs anymore, and your spouse has spine problems, you should avoid band aid solutions like this. Consider switching from Thar to a used Duster. If you manage to get Duster AWD, it will also take care of moderate offroading.
Samurai is offline   (25) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 24th January 2017, 10:58   #7
Newbie
 
KA09_BIKER_GPER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Mysore
Posts: 7
Thanked: 19 Times
Default re: Mahindra Thar: How to make it more comfortable?

I too have a 2014 Thar CRDe. I am OK with the stock suspension setup as the roads around my city are reasonably good. My wife sometimes complains of the harsh ride but hey, end of the day it's a Jeep and one cannot expect SUV like comfort!

Here is what I suggest,

1) Get an AT tire of same size. I switched from stock BS Dueler HT to Continental Cross Contact AT of same size and the ride quality has tremendously improved. The tire are able to absorb potholes quite well. Lowering tire pressure to around 30psi will give you a plush ride on ATs.

2) Inspect your IFS. If your IFS is set too high the ride will be bumpy. Too low and it will bottom out on the bump stops. The ideal IFS height would be 1-1.5 inches between the control arm and the upper bump stop.

3) Check Janniah leaf springs for the rear. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...ml#post3155781 (Why I won't buy a Thar... booked Thar!)

4) CFL's are very soft and will give you plenty of body roll. Not sure how well they perform off road though!

5) Explore different shockers. Imported racing shocks are pretty hard. They will solve body roll issue but will give you a hard ride.

6) Try removing a leaf or two from the rear leaf set.

7) As other members mentioned, have some weight on the rear of the Jeep.
KA09_BIKER_GPER is offline   (7) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 24th January 2017, 12:00   #8
GTO
Team-BHP Support
 
GTO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bombay
Posts: 46,512
Thanked: 80,158 Times
Default Re: Mahindra Thar: How to make it more comfortable?

By Jeep standards, the Thar has comfortable ride quality. Far superior to the old Mahindra offroaders, and a lot more so than the bumpy Gypsy.

It's definitely liveable, but there are ways to further improve comfort. BHPians have covered most points above. As per the suggestions, you must consider CFLs & cushier seats. These will make a big, big difference. Very few cars < 10 lakhs have nice seats - all manufacturers cut costs here. Invest a couple of thousand bucks here.

Downsize your rim size to 15 inchers - that additional sidewall height will make a noticeable difference to the ride. In 15", you'll have lots of tyre options. Pick one that's geared for ride quality. This swap won't cost you too much either as R15 is the most common size among UVs.

Be sure to maintain the right tyre pressure. Over-inflation will make things bumpier. In fact, with the wife onboard, you can drop 1 PSI in the city.
GTO is offline   (11) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 24th January 2017, 12:13   #9
BHPian
 
KK_HakunaMatata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 332
Thanked: 276 Times
Default Re: Mahindra Thar: How to make it more comfortable?

I am not a 4x4 guy, so not giving any gyan on the same.

Just wanted to mention that if you want to keep the Thar for any off-roading you would want to do, instead of spending money on the mods to make it comfortable, please consider buying a decent pre-owned car for family purposes as they would feel comfortable during long drives.

Suggest you to go through this thread, wherein a BHPian Swamy bought a pre-owned Corolla (also retaining the Thar for off-roading) for family usage.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...xperience.html (Why did I buy a 12 Year old Toyota Corolla - My experience)

KK

Last edited by KK_HakunaMatata : 24th January 2017 at 12:14.
KK_HakunaMatata is offline   (2) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 24th January 2017, 14:04   #10
Distinguished - BHPian
 
smartcat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 2,699
Thanked: 9,696 Times
Default Re: Mahindra Thar: How to make it more comfortable?

No cost but 100% effective solution is to reduce the tyre pressure to 25 PSI for city drives and 28 PSI for highway drives. Just keep the car under 60 kmph for city & 90 kmph for highway.

Your tyre life and mileage might drop by roughly 10 or 15%, but these expenses are spread over time and you won't feel the pinch.

The engineering solutions are a hit or miss/trial and error type of solutions. The above is something you can do today and see instant results.

Last edited by smartcat : 24th January 2017 at 14:11.
smartcat is online now   (3) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 24th January 2017, 14:05   #11
BHPian
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: trivandrum
Posts: 115
Thanked: 127 Times
Default Re: Mahindra Thar: How to make it more comfortable?

Quote:
Originally Posted by KA09_BIKER_GPER View Post
6) Try removing a leaf or two from the rear leaf set.
I too had toyed with this idea for sometime, then came across a thread where a bolero guy had tried all sorts of things like inverting, removing, re-cambering his vehicle's leaves, not having any satisfaction and eventually selling it. So didn't try it myself.
Apart from the other options mentioned, on two instances I felt an improvement in ride quality, one is when I had got the wheels aligned (I had to nag the a.s.s. to align all four wheels, properly adjust the caster,camber and not just the usual toe job) second is when I had installed rear wheel spacers. The spacers were done only for aesthetic reasons but I've felt the rear to be less bouncy after that. I am not a technical guy and I haven't read anywhere about a similar effect after using spacers but I think offset wheels, being a little distant from the fulcrum(leaves), acts a little like the way when the rear is having a light load. One will be warned about axle/bearing lives though and it will be a perceptable but not a major improvement in ride quality.

Last edited by crdi : 24th January 2017 at 14:06.
crdi is offline   (3) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 24th January 2017, 17:40   #12
GTO
Team-BHP Support
 
GTO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bombay
Posts: 46,512
Thanked: 80,158 Times
Default Re: Mahindra Thar: How to make it more comfortable?

Quote:
Originally Posted by smartcat View Post
No cost but 100% effective solution is to reduce the tyre pressure to 25 PSI for city drives
Would be way too much, pal. The recommended pressure for the Thar is 35 PSI. Most owners drive around on 30 PSI.

Going at 25 PSI will be detrimental to the tyres.
GTO is offline   (5) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 24th January 2017, 19:35   #13
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Hyderabad
Posts: 41
Thanked: 29 Times
Default Re: Mahindra Thar: How to make it more comfortable?

I believe too much thought is being put on changing some fundamental characteristics here. The demands we place on our vehicles change with time and we have to accept it and move on. My suggestion is sell the thar and go for a hatchback or a sedan. If you can afford it though, keep them both! No point making it do whats its not meant to do. Rather pass it on to someone passionate and who has the time and place to use it.
cUjO is online now   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 24th January 2017, 20:08   #14
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Bangalore/Pune
Posts: 1,179
Thanked: 1,516 Times
Default Re: Mahindra Thar: How to make it more comfortable?

Quote:
Originally Posted by abhisheksikka View Post
I'm shifting cities soon and will not be needing the car to offroad too much. Also, my better half has developed some spine problems due to which she cant be comfortable in my car. I'm hoping to mod the suspension for a more comfortable ride in the city or on the highway. I understand that its a trade-off with offroad capabilities but I cant seem to find definitive content which can guide me to make a better decision.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KA09_BIKER_GPER View Post
1. Janniah leaf springs help a great deal. They're cheaper than after market shock absorbers and actually transform high speed handling, too.

2. Keep tyre pressure at 30 PSI. This will make steering heavier and the Thar less responsive, but you can't have it all.

1+2 should make life a lot more comfortable. Your Thar will also handle better than stock on the curves. If you're moving to a city that has well laid tar roads than concrete ones, you'll see an improvement in ride quality even without making a single change.

Cheers,

Jay

Last edited by GTO : 25th January 2017 at 10:31. Reason: Trimming quote :)
JayPrashanth is offline   (3) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 24th January 2017, 20:23   #15
Distinguished - BHPian
 
BlackPearl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calcutta
Posts: 2,176
Thanked: 3,275 Times
Default Re: Mahindra Thar: How to make it more comfortable?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTO View Post
Downsize your rim size to 15 inchers - that additional sidewall height will make a noticeable difference to the ride. In 15", you'll have lots of tyre options. Pick one that's geared for ride quality. This swap won't cost you too much either as R15 is the most common size among UVs.

Be sure to maintain the right tyre pressure. Over-inflation will make things bumpier. In fact, with the wife onboard, you can drop 1 PSI in the city.
I have got 15" wheels on my Thar shod with Michelin LTX AT and the ride quality has definitely improved. I have a slipped disc, but the Thar has been fairly comfortable over long distances on all kinds of roads. I do drive extremely carefully on bad stretches.
BlackPearl is offline   (5) Thanks Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Government will make safety norms more stringent, but no plans to make airbags mandatory Tushar The Indian Car Scene 39 9th September 2016 14:27
Making a 3B/Jeep more Comfortable Red Liner 4x4 Technical 46 10th October 2010 17:20
Making a Scorpio more comfortable astatine Modifications & Accessories 23 6th January 2010 10:15
Indian Motorsport : How can we make it more popular and more fun? GTO Indian Motorsport 45 12th July 2009 13:09
Camry OR Safari ? Which has a more COMFORTABLE ride ? comfortfreak SUVs, MUVs & 4x4s 63 28th May 2007 23:10


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 01:06.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks