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Old 11th February 2009, 11:21   #316
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Hey Gotzuk (Vaibhav),
Could you kindly share your experience with Goodrich?
I've seen it on your super cool red gypsy .
Would be very helpful for all of us here.
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Deepak,

I have been running on BFG's for about 18 months now and have covered 33000 kms so far. During the last alignment visit to the tyre shop, I got the tread depth measured and found it was down by about 40%, which means, theoretically, that the tyres should run for another 40000 kms safely.
My driving pattern is 30% city, 30% highway and 40% mountains.

The grips levels are very good in snow and slushy road conditions, though grip on wet tarmac is not something to write home about. I would like to add though, that these tyres give ample warning before locking up under heavy braking and I like that safety margin. As far as heavy mud is concerned, I am yet to see an AT tyre that really is head and shoulders above the rest. I didn't have much driving time in sand with these tyres and am looking forward to seeing their performance during the Desert Storm.
During the various OTR's that I have managed to attend the tyres have performed really well apart from the mud/clay pond beds where all other tyres also struggle to get a footing.


In my group of friends we have Gypsy's with Yokohama Geolandars, Bridgestone Dueler Revo, Michelin LTX AT and of course, BFGoodrich.
The Revo's were very good on grip and comfort but wore out very quickly. The same gypsy is now shod with BFG's. Amongst the Geolandars and the BFG's, the BFG's have the edge off road and the Geolandars on the tarmac. Overall, both are almost equally matched. The BFG though, gets the brownie points for its visual appeal thanks to the aggressive tread pattern. The Michelin rocks overall, excellent ride, handing, braking and grip but the high price waters down the excitement quite a bit.


If somebody is looking for tyres only for offroad use, the best choice would be an M/T. As an everyday multipurpose tyre, I would say both Geolandars and BFG All Terrain TA are excellent choices and considering the high tread life, excellent value for money, definitely a lot better than Sand Grips with their short life spans, high noise and poor road grip.

Hope this helps.
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we have Gypsy's with Yokohama Geolandars, Bridgestone Dueler Revo, Michelin LTX AT and of course, BFGoodrich.
The Revo's were very good on grip and comfort but wore out very quickly. The same gypsy is now shod with BFG's. Amongst the Geolandars and the BFG's, the BFG's have the edge off road and the Geolandars on the tarmac. Overall, both are almost equally matched. The BFG though, gets the brownie points for its visual appeal thanks to the aggressive tread pattern. The Michelin rocks overall, excellent ride, handing, braking and grip but the high price waters down the excitement quite a bit.


If somebody is looking for tyres only for offroad use, the best choice would be an M/T. As an everyday multipurpose tyre, I would say both Geolandars and BFG All Terrain TA are excellent choices and considering the high tread life, excellent value for money, definitely a lot better than Sand Grips with their short life spans, high noise and poor road grip.

Hi, thats a nice comparo - Thanks. Now why would you not consider Michelin LT-X ? Is it the price alone? or some other factor that overrides that?

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Deepak,

In my group of friends we have Gypsy's with Yokohama Geolandars, Bridgestone Dueler Revo, Michelin LTX AT and of course, BFGoodrich.
The Revo's were very good on grip and comfort but wore out very quickly. The same gypsy is now shod with BFG's. Amongst the Geolandars and the BFG's, the BFG's have the edge off road and the Geolandars on the tarmac. Overall, both are almost equally matched. The BFG though, gets the brownie points for its visual appeal thanks to the aggressive tread pattern. The Michelin rocks overall, excellent ride, handing, braking and grip but the high price waters down the excitement quite a bit.


If somebody is looking for tyres only for offroad use, the best choice would be an M/T. As an everyday multipurpose tyre, I would say both Geolandars and BFG All Terrain TA are excellent choices and considering the high tread life, excellent value for money, definitely a lot better than Sand Grips with their short life spans, high noise and poor road grip.

Hope this helps.
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Wow ,

This is excellent comparison GOTZUK. When you say Yokos have edge over BFGs on tarmac - what exactly you mean?

Mechellin excells on all these conditions you mentioned? Anybody who is using Michellin for some time can just put light like GOTZUK?

And also Anybody has a different view on this friends?

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...When you say Yokos have edge over BFGs on tarmac - what exactly you mean?
I guess less noise on road.
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GTO has already shared his experience with Michelin in this thread.
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I guess less noise on road.

Ok. Yokos are silent then, I guess.


GTO has already shared his experience with Michelin in this thread.
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OOps Sorry !!GTO has already shared.

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Nice, so its a spin off between the Geo's and the BFG's. BFG's have a more aggressive tread pattern? I always thought the Yoko's were more aggressive. Let me try and visit a couple of tyre shops this week end and see them face to face. I have never shopped for or used any of these tyres so I am the last one to talk.
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If somebody is looking for tyres only for offroad use, the best choice would be an M/T. As an everyday multipurpose tyre, I would say both Geolandars and BFG All Terrain TA are excellent choices and considering the high tread life, excellent value for money, definitely a lot better than Sand Grips with their short life spans, high noise and poor road grip.
Hey Vaibhav,
Thank you very much for your detailed post. It is very helpful for all of them who are looking for good tyres for their offroaders. When headers was looking for this info, i remembered that you have BFGs on your Gypsy. And yes, as only a window shopper till now, i have seen the tread pattern on both BFGs and Yokos and i personally found BFGs more aggressive and mean looking than the Yokos.
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When headers was looking for this info, i remembered that you have BFGs on your Gypsy.
I use Michelin LT-X 235/75 R15 on my G-King and no complaints so far. Did the Palar Challenge last year and came up triumphs


The tyre is better than the Pirelli Scorpion 215/75 r15 that was previously used by me.
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Nice, so its a spin off between the Geo's and the BFG's. BFG's have a more aggressive tread pattern? I always thought the Yoko's were more aggressive. Let me try and visit a couple of tyre shops this week end and see them face to face.
"Aggressive" meaning big lugs is one factor. Sipes are the small little cuts or edges you see in the lugs. They give you more grippy edges on many surfaces hence better traction. In other countries tyre shops have special machines that cut extra sipes into new tyres in a balanced way in order to give more traction. It makes quite a difference in performance and I say this to you with first hand experience on several sets of tyres. So, look for sipes besides big lugs.

As stated by others, but it bears repeating, in the deep mud, AT tyres and a lot of mudders as well, just will load up and be ineffective. But I have had several sets of BFGoodrich ATs and they were no worse than others and not so bad.

Michelin is just a superb tyre. If you can afford it, get it. A lot of Michelin owners do not bother cutting sipes into Michelins. They already have a lot of sipes right out of the oven.

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Hi, thats a nice comparo - Thanks. Now why would you not consider Michelin LT-X ? Is it the price alone? or some other factor that overrides that?

Cheers
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Yes, only the high price is a bit of a deterrent. But if money is no issue then Michelin is the tyre to buy, atleast for the gypsy. When I bought the BFG's, I had the option to put LTX AT, but I liked the BFG's tread better and the lower price vis a vis the Michelin cemented the decision to buy BFG and I am happy with the choice.

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When you say Yokos have edge over BFGs on tarmac - what exactly you mean?

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Tarkesh,
The Geolandars provide more grip on tarmac than BFG and generate slightly less road noise.

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Michelin is the tyre to buy, atleast for the gypsy. When I bought the BFG's, I had the option to put LTX AT, but I liked the BFG's tread better and the lower price vis a vis the Michelin cemented the decision to buy BFG and I am happy with the choice.
Hi, There is one guy in our group who has used the BFGs and then to Michelins on his Gypsy King. He claims the BFG to be superior in most aspects. BUT I believe that one's driving style is of importance here to decide on BFGs to be better!

The stuff I've heard is that BFG is a good tyre but very SOFT and wears out fast.


Anyways, am glad that the Michelins have a good rating
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I have heard just the opposite! Michelin softest, yokos softer, bfg not so soft. Thus i guess grip levels and tyre life also increase and decrease in that order.

Thanks dan. Am not looking for offroader tyres for my jeep, have the ndms for them. Looking for something to go on a 2wd bolero to bolster the car and plant it at the corners. Any advice there? I hope i am not in the wrong thread!
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This thread is for offroad rims/tyres. For general tyre queries, we have an entire section.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-...wheel-section/
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Hello guys,

Wanted to know what will happen if I put M/T tyres on my jeep. What will happen to the drive comfort on the roads. i am getting MT tyres on my jeep and i am worried about the drive comfort on Roads.

Can you please reply to this ASAP. I have to take a decision and put tyres in my JEEP tommorrow.

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Hello guys,

Wanted to know what will happen if I put M/T tyres on my jeep. What will happen to the drive comfort on the roads. i am getting MT tyres on my jeep and i am worried about the drive comfort on Roads. ...
If these are proper M/T tyres then for sure drive comfort on tarmac will go for a toss. Expect a lot bumpy ride compared to A/T tyres.

BTW, what's the current tyres you got?
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