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Old 24th February 2009, 17:54   #391
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Hi Samurai,

I did not say 15" rims are not available, and the question here was if 16" rims are available in 139.7mm PCD.
I said 16" rims with 139.7 PCD is not available in Delhi/NCR. I have also mentioned 15" rims with 139.7 PCD could be found but have to search a bit.

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I dont know which part of the world you are living in but the place where I belong we have Jeeps that have "PUMP" and come in "BLING". If I were afraid to take these rims into offroading territory I would have never bought them. Secondly I speciffically wanted M/T's and that too 275/70/R16's so I bought them. If I were afraid i'd have kept the army rims and put MRF/Appollo sand grips on them.

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The part of the world I live in is Bangalore, and I am a part of Jeep Thrills here. Thank you for asking.

Now, I meant P1mp. I cant use the *i* for obvious reasons. P1mp means actually getting down and dirty and doing the job. In this case, offroading.

I apologise if I was disrespectful. What I did intend to mean is, how are you going to be brave enough to put those alloys through the torture we call offroading? If you have indeed considered this aspect, please do throw light on this, as we all would love to have a p1mped up and blinged up jeep ourselves. Most of us are stuck with heavier and cheaper steel rims because the abuse we put these wheels through when we go offroading is not something we can subject its more glittering sibling to.

For ex. when you reduce your tyre pressure to climb over a few rocks and bounce down, the pressure on your rims is going to be enormous. Alloys being less flexible (though lighter) might just crack. The worst that can happen to a steel rim is bending it. Steel is more malleable - which is why you can remove *bends* on them. Ofcourse, I do not know how many people here actually reduce their tyre pressure when going offroading. But that is recommended practice (with an on board air compressor to reinflate when hitting the tarmac).

I will eat my shoes if indeed your alloys are made for offroading. That said, another disqualification could be our respective definitions of the term offroading. Maybe your's is milder to your jeep? Again no disrespect, I am just trying to understand your intended use of these rims, the terrains, and exactly how you will use it. Any precautions as opposed to none when using regular steel rims?

EDIT: On reading your post again, I do see that you are unafraid to take these alloys offroading. That is excellent.

I am not an expert on this, so I would welcome other's views on this. Is using regular *for tarmac* alloys a good idea for offroading?

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Thanks Samurai/Randeep/Bigman/Testdrive

Now I am more relaxed and will put 235/70/R16 on my stock army rims.

Still one more question- What is PCD?

Sorry for so many questions.

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My rims too are 160 PCD but i had to anyways get spacers put so I got plates made in 1" thickness. So one side its 139.7PCD and the other is 160 PCD.
Please can you post some pictures of your PCD adapters. How durable/robust are these ?

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I am been told by 4x4addict (on t-bhp) that you can get the Bolero 4x4 hubs put on the jeep to make it 160 PCD. See pic below of 4x4addict's jeep with 235/70R16 on Scorpio rims (using bolero hubs).
Is this much of a job ? and are the Bolero 4x4 hubs easily available ?
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Now, I meant P1mp. I cant use the *i* for obvious reasons. P1mp means actually getting down and dirty and doing the job. In this case, offroading.
We have a different meaning for that.

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I apologise if I was disrespectful. What I did intend to mean is, how are you going to be brave enough to put those alloys through the torture we call offroading? If you have indeed considered this aspect, please do throw light on this, as we all would love to have a p1mped up and blinged up jeep ourselves. Most of us are stuck with heavier and cheaper steel rims because the abuse we put these wheels through when we go offroading is not something we can subject its more glittering sibling to.

For ex. when you reduce your tyre pressure to climb over a few rocks and bounce down, the pressure on your rims is going to be enormous. Alloys being less flexible (though lighter) might just crack. The worst that can happen to a steel rim is bending it. Steel is more malleable - which is why you can remove *bends* on them. Ofcourse, I do not know how many people here actually reduce their tyre pressure when going offroading. But that is recommended practice (with an on board air compressor to reinflate when hitting the tarmac).
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@Redliner,

We've had Jeeps in our family since the time the Jeep's manufacturing began. I still own a M38A1, 1942 Ford and a 1943 Willy's. Apart from the willy's all have had their share of P*mp and are in perfect running conditin. Offroading to me does not mean driving down a kaccha road, it is putting to jeep through its hardest test in slush/sand (Hisar) and rocks/Stones (Hoshiarpur/Sahaanpur UP).

The alloy's that I bought were also after much research just like the tyres.

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Okay. I do appreciate your time to reply to me. And I appreciate that the offroading we put our jeeps through are probably similar in terrain but not in periodicity. There, you have the upper hand and I am sure you must love every minute of it.

However, my question at the end of my post still stands. Would love to hear from fellow members and yourself - with a more scientific tinge on the *research* you undertook when selecting this particular set of alloys and their strength.

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@randeep: Dont bother man RedLiner is just jealous

My heart would bleed if i scratch those forget cracking them, i would be singing with the angels.
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Okay. I do appreciate your time to reply to me. And I appreciate that the offroading we put our jeeps through are probably similar in terrain but not in periodicity. There, you have the upper hand and I am sure you must love every minute of it.

However, my question at the end of my post still stands. Would love to hear from fellow members and yourself - with a more scientific tinge on the *research* you undertook when selecting this particular set of alloys and their strength.
"Scientific tinge", Well I can no way explain my research using a scientific tinge. But if you have a scientific method of explaining the strength of alloy rim's, "I'm all ears".

The only research I did was to make sure I did not buy the alloys just based on looks. I checked with various alloy wheel vendors as to which company makes the best alloy's for SUV's in India. I was given 2 names HRS and Prestige. Both are good suppliers of SUV rims in India as well as other parts of the world. I chose HRS as it supplies rims to GM and other SUV manufacturers. I confirmed this through a friend who's working with Ford in Austin, Texas and heading Ford's service network in 4 cities. I was also suggested not to but 3 spoke or even 4 spoke alloys as there is less hold on the rims and was told to go in for 5-6 spokes.

This is the only research I did. But again if you have some sort of scientific calculator that measures the strength of alloys please do share. If not alloys, even if you have a scientific way to measure the strength of steel rims "I'm all ears".

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Chill Randeep. Those alloys are serious head turners. No questions/second word on that. RedLiner is just concerned about those alloys, as most of us here that you don't end up hurting them on ur offroading adventures. @Spitfire: You said it!
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Hi Guys,

Well I bought new alloy's (16"/8") for my BigHorns and they just look awesome.

Here are a few pics.

Cheers !!!!!!

DE LI CI OUS!


When do we see pics of these on your ride? Far out man, faar out.

Like everyone here says, take care of them!
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Great, now we are getting somewhere after all the hullaballoo. I was just inquisitive on your research. I am sure we will have alternative views now. Like i said earlier, i am no expert, but am good at asking pointed questions. You did mention suv. I would still say what suv's are put through is incomparable to proper offroading. I would be keen to know how alloys are measured for strength. Anyone here with the know how?
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Some questions.
  • What does the Jeep Thrills history say, how often have off-roaders cracked their alloys in rocky areas in numerous offroading events?
  • Since rocky trail is done in very slow speed, how much risk are we really talking about?
  • Can we agree on the point that alloys need lot more impact than steel rims to make them bend or crack?
  • What kind of alloys are used in offroading SUVs abroad, say Rubicon trail or Dubai desert?
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Some questions.
  • What does the Jeep Thrills history say, how often have off-roaders cracked their alloys in rocky areas in numerous offroading events?
  • Since rocky trail is done in very slow speed, how much risk are we really talking about?
  • Can we agree on the point that alloys need lot more impact than steel rims to make them bend or crack?
  • What kind of alloys are used in offroading SUVs abroad, say Rubicon trail or Dubai desert?
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Samurai very good questions.
I guess we'll have to wait for some explanations with a "Scientific Tinge" to answer those questions.

I had an impression that alloys were very very strong, but now the last few posts have got me thinking. But then what the hell, when they crack I'll get another set. That too after I figure out how to measure the strength of alloys.

Rubicons sure dont come with steel rims neither do other famous offroaders.

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Some questions.
  • What does the Jeep Thrills history say, how often have off-roaders cracked their alloys in rocky areas in numerous offroading events?
  • Since rocky trail is done in very slow speed, how much risk are we really talking about?
  • Can we agree on the point that alloys need lot more impact than steel rims to make them bend or crack?
  • What kind of alloys are used in offroading SUVs abroad, say Rubicon trail or Dubai desert?
1. Don't know about off roading as am a comparatively new entrant here but Delhi roads offer enough off roading opportunities and yes have seen a alloy crack, nasty pothole at three digit speed. a steel rim would have been repairable.
2. When stuck up in rocks the load on wheels/rims is immense. Isn't these the conditions where people shear/break their axles? But don't know if the load on axle/drivetrain necessarily translates into load on rims.
3. Not necessarily, the cheap Chinese alloys I have seen perform much poorer than steel ones. Bend at slightest of impact.
4. You get special rally alloys for rallies, seen those on some gypsies and esteems in raid-de-himalaya.

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Some questions.
  • What does the Jeep Thrills history say, how often have off-roaders cracked their alloys in rocky areas in numerous offroading events?
  • Since rocky trail is done in very slow speed, how much risk are we really talking about?
  • Can we agree on the point that alloys need lot more impact than steel rims to make them bend or crack?
  • What kind of alloys are used in offroading SUVs abroad, say Rubicon trail or Dubai desert?
Its not about CRACKING them, the worry is about scratching such immaculate rims.
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