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Old 5th June 2011, 08:32   #1216
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Also known as Brazilian rims, can someone source 5 No.s in 16", for me? Regards,
Everyone needs this rim. Why can't the gypsies and jeeps put hands together to get these imported in bulk? It's the only thing we have in common, i.e. the 139.7 PCD rim.

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Any idea of the price. Sir, may i get a plus offset in this pattern.
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Any particular reason for a plus-offset requirement? Almost always, people go in for negative offsets when it comes to the Jeeps.
i agree with AVR.

a + offset rim will reduce the standard track length of the jeep gypsy.

& a - offset rim will increase the track length.
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so why do you need a + offset orims??

i dont have the info regarding the rims or where they are available.

but AFAIK they were available in mumbai. (kurla area)
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a + offset rim will reduce the standard track length of the jeep gypsy.

& a - offset rim will increase the track length.
Nikhil,

Apart from increasing the track width, the negative offset rims also create additional space between the body and the tyre as compared to the 0 offset rims, thus increase articulation. Am I right?
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Old 5th June 2011, 21:14   #1219
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On the other hand, negative offset does also result in greater strains on the axles as the cantilever stresses increase. So that has to be kept in mind too.
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Apart from increasing the track width, the negative offset rims also create additional space between the body and the tyre as compared to the 0 offset rims, thus increase articulation. Am I right?
fazal sir you are pulling my leg.
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On the other hand, negative offset does also result in greater strains on the axles as the cantilever stresses increase. So that has to be kept in mind too.
yes the increased articulation is the result of cantilever effect.

but the increased track can also result in the suspension (in IFS) & bearings (in rigid & IFS) issues.

some times the increased track limits the articulation.

example. armada/bolero rear wheel arch. (even thar )

in stock form the tyre goes in the body tub under heavy articulation (pic 1, 2) , but when the track increases the tyre directly touches the wheel arch thus limiting articulation (pic 3).

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I never said they will not ever do it, i just said it will tough for NDMS and you dont need photos for that. We all were witness to what happened out there. Atleast its very clear and vivid in my mind. And please dont compare what a recce team goes through with the actual public event. Always respect them he he he

Difference with a modern tyre was everyone to try out and those who have tried out are humble enough to accept it and move on. Wonder why you looking for 31 or was it 35" tyres?
Hi Jaggu,

Please explain a "modern" Tyre wrt to 6.00X16/7.00X16/7.50X16

How many varieties of NDMS have you tried out and in how many JEEPs?

IIRC, the trend of putting 7.00X16 NDMS was started in TPC2006 in Chennai, we have done that on CJ3B, CJ500Ds and MM540s.

Before TPC2009, some guys opted for Maxxis Trepadors, on their CJ3Bs.

The NDMS Works every time, but those are 6ply tyres, not the commercial cousins, and like good JEEPs are Very Rare and are very light on the suspension and steering unlike the Radials on Off-Set Rims.

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PS - Will a 2007 Good Year G90 Radial LT 7.50X16 be considered "Modern"
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Hi Jaggu,

Please explain a "modern" Tyre wrt to 6.00X16/7.00X16/7.50X16
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The NDMS Works every time, but those are 6ply tyres, not the commercial cousins, and like good JEEPs are Very Rare and are very light on the suspension and steering unlike the Radials on Off-Set Rims.

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PS - Will a 2007 Good Year G90 Radial LT 7.50X16 be considered "Modern"
How many times we have discussed this Arka? right now am in no mood or have time to explain further especially on Frankie's beauty thread.

You have your reasons, i respect that but i trust my judgement better in this. I don't have any issues if you agree or not.

ps: goodyear you mentioned are decent offroad tyres and are more modern than NDMS if am not mistaken
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How many times we have discussed this Arka? right now am in no mood or have time to explain further especially on Frankie's beauty thread.

You have your reasons, i respect that but i trust my judgement better in this. I don't have any issues if you agree or not.

ps: goodyear you mentioned are decent offroad tyres and are more modern than NDMS if am not mistaken
Hi Jaggu,

We have discussed this, but you have failed to mention anything supporting your "judgement".

It is simple, is a 2006 MRF NDMS modern or not?

Most Off-Road patterns, the Goodyear/Michelin/Continental tyres developed the Off-Road pattern way back during World War II.

So how much more modern is it, without digressing into Radial vs Cross-Ply.

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It is simple, is a 2006 MRF NDMS modern or not?
MRF is supposed to be modern tyre company but their NDMS model is an age ol design from WW era? Correct me if am wrong please.

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Most Off-Road patterns, the Goodyear/Michelin/Continental tyres developed the Off-Road pattern way back during World War II.
Now you are talking about general AT tyres. Me about slightly more specialized, like hmmm say a Maxxis Creepy Crawler M-8090 Reviews.

Ok let us me correct, am curious to know how many of these are WW design?

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^^: such valuable information needs to be backed by picture showing thread pattern, availability in india and price sir..

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^^: such valuable information needs to be backed by picture showing thread pattern, availability in india and price sir..

thanks in advance
Sir i have posted the link, too many out there to be copy pasted and uploaded. Also maxxis range can be picked up without "much" difficulty. Rest is upto you and your tyre dealer

But the point being the design, assuming that i don't have an issue to get any of these in India, which are the so called modern ones are ww2 designs?
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Guys need some expert advice on a field of rims and tyres which i know nothing at all.
My MM550 needs rims and wheels. Please advice me on what i should get and what the price would be.
I am zeroing down on 31" Maxxis Bighorns as was told by the MAxxis dealer that Mudzillas are not good for highway as they slip aka NDMS.
I want to shod them on Black Rock wheels and if someone knows where i can get them from in Bombay/India id be highly obliged. Kindly let me know if these would be a hindrance in any ways for eg. hitting the side fenders in full articulation or while turning etc. Will i need to put spacers? Should i go for 32" instead?

I would like to know what the tyres and rims should also cost. Thanks in anticipation.
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Guys need some expert advice on a field of rims and tyres which i know nothing at all.
My MM550 needs rims and wheels. Please advice me on what i should get and what the price would be.
I am zeroing down on 31" Maxxis Bighorns as was told by the MAxxis dealer that Mudzillas are not good for highway as they slip aka NDMS.
I want to shod them on Black Rock wheels and if someone knows where i can get them from in Bombay/India id be highly obliged. Kindly let me know if these would be a hindrance in any ways for eg. hitting the side fenders in full articulation or while turning etc. Will i need to put spacers? Should i go for 32" instead?

I would like to know what the tyres and rims should also cost. Thanks in anticipation.
For your engine size, don't go for 32". I'd also suggest PS for the 31"ers.

You will need a shackle lift to compensate for the articulation with the tyres.
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For your engine size, don't go for 32". I'd also suggest PS for the 31"ers.

You will need a shackle lift to compensate for the articulation with the tyres.
Ravi's got 31" on his MM550 and no lift. PS ive got worked out already. Now for the prices and where available. Also info on the Black Rock Rims.
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MRF is supposed to be modern tyre company but their NDMS model is an age ol design from WW era? Correct me if am wrong please.

Now you are talking about general AT tyres. Me about slightly more specialized, like hmmm say a Maxxis Creepy Crawler M-8090 Reviews.

Ok let us me correct, am curious to know how many of these are WW design?
Hi Jaggu,

You still fail to explain "modern" Tyre.

So if a tyre is 50yrs old in design and is being made with the latest technology/Manufacturing Tech, it is not modern.

Coming back to the Creepy Crawler, they are definitely inspired or preceded by a WW-II Design.

The Diagonal NDMS/NDCC if cut up looks like the ones below, which in turn looks like they inspired the Creepy Crawler.

Incidentally some of the Off-Road Competition Tyres are being made in Cross-Ply/Nylon Construction.

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