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Old 9th June 2011, 14:31   #1261
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Old 9th June 2011, 16:34   #1262
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@ Arka , I try to answer ( IMHO ,AFAIK )

1) regarding mahindra using tyres on their machines ; I don't know the exact logic but it doesn't look that they are looking at it by our ( offroading ) angle , there is something else involved like tyre prices availability, assembly line suitability etc

2) My Jeep came with those silly F 78 x 15 tyres which didn't suit it at all ( GC & axle ratio ) the vehicle used to belly several times , also in ghats it used to run freely in 1 st gear & wouldn't continue in 2nd . Now all this changed when I started using 700 x 15 tyres ( 29 " ) . This combination became successful

3 ) Long wheel base Land Rovers always use 700 x16 or 7.50 x 16 tyres ( except the most early ones ) & also mostly the later size
My 2a is a 1961 to 1971 model uses 7.50 x 16 tyres ( 8-10 ply ) as OE
One more thing in Land Rovers ,unlike Jeep ( 540 ) they don't dig in despite its heavy torque , I have gone through some deep mud where Jeep surely looses traction & spins wheel , Land Rovers DO provide smooth power delivery

4 ) IMHO tyre dia is THE first thing that needs to be thought first , irrespective of things like GC etc ,It must suit standard gearing ( unless you change it ) , secondly need to see if it touches other things ( body ,chassis etc ) And thirdly its the traction capability

Lastly ' good ' driver can adjust with all other things like road behaviour ( wet & dry surfaces , cornering at speeds ) , tubeless or with tube , & few other things --IF the offroad requirement is met .

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@ Arka , I try to answer ( IMHO ,AFAIK )

1) regarding mahindra using tyres on their machines ; I don't know the exact logic but it doesn't look that they are looking at it by our ( offroading ) angle , there is something else involved like tyre prices availability, assembly line suitability etc

2) My Jeep came with those silly F 78 x 15 tyres which didn't suit it at all ( GC & axle ratio ) the vehicle used to belly several times , also in ghats it used to run freely in 1 st gear & wouldn't continue in 2nd . Now all this changed when I started using 700 x 15 tyres ( 29 " ) . This combination became successful

3 ) Long wheel base Land Rovers always use 700 x16 or 7.50 x 16 tyres ( except the most early ones ) & also mostly the later size
My 2a is a 1961 to 1971 model uses 7.50 x 16 tyres ( 8-10 ply ) as OE
One more thing in Land Rovers ,unlike Jeep ( 540 ) they don't dig in despite its heavy torque , I have gone through some deep mud where Jeep surely looses traction & spins wheel , Land Rovers DO provide smooth power delivery

4 ) IMHO tyre dia is THE first thing that needs to be thought first , irrespective of things like GC etc ,It must suit standard gearing ( unless you change it ) , secondly need to see if it touches other things ( body ,chassis etc ) And thirdly its the traction capability

Lastly ' good ' driver can adjust with all other things like road behaviour ( wet & dry surfaces , cornering at speeds ) , tubeless or with tube , & few other things --IF the offroad requirement is met .
Hi Sudarshan JEE,

Interesting point is when do wheels spin?

If the surface is too soft or there is too much torque at the wheels.

The Torque aspect is controlled/regulated by the gearing,

Between you Landy and MM540 5dr, both are Long Wheel Base, Similar weight.

What will happen to the MM540 with 7.50X16 and the Landy with 7.00X15?

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Interesting point is when do wheels spin?

If the surface is too soft or there is too much torque at the wheels.

The Torque aspect is controlled/regulated by the gearing,
Really Interesting > we tried the Jeep & Landy at & around Rajmachi in 2003 . Landy had sand grips & Jeep MRF M 77 so not a big difference ( IMHO ) > result Jeep skidded & spun more . Everyone sensed it . At some points Landy rescued the Jeep

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Between you Landy and MM540 5dr, both are Long Wheel Base, Similar weight.

What will happen to the MM540 with 7.50X16 and the Landy with 7.00X15?
I think jeep will spin less but power will need to be derived carefully by choosing gears properly according to terrain. But I feel the 2112 cc Peugeot doesn't have a smooth torque delivery as landy engine & overall gearing , there is something missing which I don't know

on the other hand for Landy it may not make much difference except for top speeds on any gear

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Hi All,
Useful information i wanted to share with everyone!!! Import ban on tyres have been lifted for time being, may be for another 2-3 months. Those who are planning to buy tyres can wait and negotiate hard with supplier.

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So now how much does geolanders 235 R15 cost in Bangalore? Does anybody have a lead to dealers there? Thanks..
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For all you DIY'ers, for all you guyz who believe in NDMS , see this pic!!

This is a TATA ACE rear tyre, RE-Threaded/Re-Belted, with a "MT" style patch!! I am sure this was done in bangalore, only if we can get a 6" wide pattern or even 7/7.5 - this will a super deal for all NDMS guyz who can toy with worn out NDMS and get it re-threaded like this.

PS - just a FYI, a retread tyre lasts about 50% of the new cost, costs about 10% to retread, loved by goods LCV's - super deal for rough use like OTR's.

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I drive a Ford Endy 3.0 AT 4X4. My drives are usually within the city, but once a month I do go out for offroad trips, and couple of times in the year I do 1000+ km trips and once a year I do a 6000+ trip (did Mumbai - Ladakh - Mumbai this year).

The stock tyres are 245 70 R16. I have run about 30K kms and as it seems that another 5-10K kms, I would need to change them. I want to put buch looking all-terrain tyres, and was eyeing the BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO Tires.

My queries are...
a) What tyres (brand & variant) is recommended,
b) What kind of tyres can I upsize to; but should I upsize; the benefits of upsizing, and
c) Would I need to change the rims if I upsize? If so, then waht is your reccommendation for that?
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PS - just a FYI, a retread tyre lasts about 50% of the new cost, costs about 10% to retread, loved by goods LCV's - super deal for rough use like OTR's.

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As long as the re-thread stays glued to the old carcass its fine, am not sure how much they would with offroad abuse, unlike onroad use.

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I drive a Ford Endy 3.0 AT 4X4. My drives are usually within the city, but once a month I do go out for offroad trips, and couple of times in the year I do 1000+ km trips and once a year I do a 6000+ trip (did Mumbai - Ladakh - Mumbai this year).

The stock tyres are 245 70 R16. I have run about 30K kms and as it seems that another 5-10K kms, I would need to change them. I want to put buch looking all-terrain tyres, and was eyeing the BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO Tires.
Stick to stock size or just one upsize ie 255. For your use you can check out Yoko Geo's if its available for that size.
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^^I agree, specially in situations where you "air down". I'm sure they will not withstand that abuse. Can form a good experimental study I believe.

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As long as the re-thread stays glued to the old carcass its fine, am not sure how much they would with offroad abuse, unlike onroad use
Jaggu - Vijayanand Prabu came to anaconda sep2009 with retreaded NDMS, may be he should comment on how long it lasted. PS - he got each tyre for 1500 IIRC, thats like 7500 a set - works super even if lasts 1.5 years of OTR use only
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Well he has moved on, the real rethread guru is Star_Aqua
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I have re thread my old Pirelli Scorpion 215/75 R15 2 years back. It has run around 5000 kms of ONROAD and OFFROAD use. Touchwood - No complaints

Currently doing duty on a friends gypsy!!
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^^ We can somehow pardon the new guru Star_Aqua considering the money he will be shelling out for fueling his JONGA.

BTW, the process is "Re-treading" or "Re-threading", considering only the tread portion of the tire is being worked upon? Also what are the advantages / disadvantages of cold Vs hot re-treading?

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Im not comfortable with using re treaded tyres for off roading. Exactly i am from the same school of though, what if the tread decided to come off during off road abuse. Not a very happy situation. For on road use i think its a great cost saver and would also consider if the situation so arrives..
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