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Old 13th July 2010, 10:23   #91
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Called the ASC and looked up on the internet as well. I believe it is 30 splines for the Dana44 at the rear axle. Will confirm further after my visit to the ASC today.
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Thanks Arka. So the front axle is 19 Spline and rear axle is 30 spline .

For information's sake - what is your take on LSD for the front axle? What will its effects be on the steering?
I have driven his jeep quite a lot. For starters, your arms will get as big as Arka's in a few months, and that is before you engage four wheel drive. Get the drift?
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any news on the MLD?

some posts from Mahindra Diff Lock..??? - SA 4x4 Community Forum
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Yes all the Scorpio Pik-Up models 4x4 and 4x4 is now fitted with diff lock.

Its a auto locker, detroit type manufactured by Eaton.
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As a matter of fact i think the whole range except the Xylo will soon have die MLD facilaty in it.
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i also found out that the diff lock at the moment will not be avaiable as a part from Mahindra we are arranging with diff lock company for a part number and possibly ordering through them.

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Guys
We will have a avermarket kit available soon in SA that one can remove the open carrier and replace it with the MLD locker.
Will keep you guys posted when and pricing in SA
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Instead they are allowing 2WD Scorpios in Mahindra Escape.

Awww-

but they gave us a seperate route.... and we didnt bother the big boys.


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If you see my Scorpio 2WD travels images-
https://picasaweb.google.com/kamu.desai/ScorpioImages

I do a lot of highway driving and I have been fortunate to get stuck in desert sand a couple of times and slush once- only.

In those circumstances:
1. Would a LSD have helped?
2. Would a lockable Diff helped?

Is is possible to integrate any of these into my 2WD, if the answer is yes to any of the above.

And the cost, if anyone has a general idea.

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Hi KD,

LSDs or Lockers would have helped if either of your wheels had traction. In cases where you were stuck in desert sand, it wouldn't have helped since both wheels didn't have traction. Basically a LSD or Locker provide power to the wheel with traction to help you get out of a sticky situation.

The Scorpio rear axle will not take the load of a Diff lock, so I would recommend an LSD suitable for a Dana 44 diff. I don't think you can get them in India so you can try to buy them in USA for about $400 USD and have them send over.

I bought Auburn Gear LSD and installed them on my Jeep.

If you like to to off the beaten path, I suggest getting a 4WD Scorpio or Safari, Pajero or Fortuner.
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Hi People,
I bust my 2005 Scorpio CRDe's diff. It's done a lakh km.
Now the ASC guys are quoting Rs. 23,000 odd for the repairs. Can I just put in a new diff itself for the price? What about using this opportunity to put in a LSD? How much would that cost.
Essentially I want a low cost solution to this problem.
Or if I will have to pay big money, want to do something like getting an LSD.(I have had the same problems as Mr. KD)
I live in Bangalore so if anybody can direct me to someone who can get me a used diff for cheap that would be awesome.

Hi Arka,
I guess you have lockers on your jeep, Do you have any open diffs lying around that I can use?

Thanks
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Hi People,
I bust my 2005 Scorpio CRDe's diff. It's done a lakh km.
Now the ASC guys are quoting Rs. 23,000 odd for the repairs. Can I just put in a new diff itself for the price? What about using this opportunity to put in a LSD? How much would that cost.
Essentially I want a low cost solution to this problem.
Or if I will have to pay big money, want to do something like getting an LSD.(I have had the same problems as Mr. KD)
I live in Bangalore so if anybody can direct me to someone who can get me a used diff for cheap that would be awesome.

Hi Arka,
I guess you have lockers on your jeep, Do you have any open diffs lying around that I can use?

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Hi Omkar,

The Loacker are fitted inside the diff-carrier, so I don't have a spare diff-carrier.

What have you busted in the diff?

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Hi Arka,

Thanks for the reply.

The differerential pinion shaft is broken.


There is also a "clunk" sound whenever I move off from rest or brake. This is supposedly because of play beween the crown(the main ring gear) and the pinion which comes from the drive shaft.
So I am being asked to replace the whole thing. Some mechanics say that the crown and pinion play can be adjusted by shims and I only need to replace the differential case and all the gears inside it.

Why did this failure happen? The diff is supposed to last the life of the vehicle :(

Omkar
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The most common cause of failure is loss of lubricant. The gear oil leaked out, maybe. This could happen around the "pumpkin" seal (rear half/front half juncture), the input pinion shaft O-ring (the plastic seal surrounding the input shaft) or the input hole. Also, you could have washed out the gear oil by going thru high water. Differentials have vent holes to release heat and vapor. If you go thru high water your gear oil can deteriorate or be washed out via this hole. You need to check your diff's for leaks and for oil level, and oil quality, on a pretty regular basis. More often if you have gone thru water/slush.

Another concern with differentials is gear lash, sometimes called back lash. This has to do with how gears fit together, how deep the gear tooth fits into the other gear, that sort of thing. Setting the gear lash is finicky and guys that can set lash correctly to specs are artists! If lash is not set correctly a differential will wear and fail prematurely. You might ask the mech doing the repair how he is going to set the gear lash. If nothing else, you might fool him into thinking you know something! That can be half the battle of a successful repair.

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Hi Arka,

Thanks for the reply.

The differerential pinion shaft is broken.


There is also a "clunk" sound whenever I move off from rest or brake. This is supposedly because of play beween the crown(the main ring gear) and the pinion which comes from the drive shaft.
So I am being asked to replace the whole thing. Some mechanics say that the crown and pinion play can be adjusted by shims and I only need to replace the differential case and all the gears inside it.

Why did this failure happen? The diff is supposed to last the life of the vehicle :(

Omkar
Hi Omkar,

The Diff-Pinion Cross Shaft can be bought separately in the market.

The Play in the Spider Gears inside the Diff-Carrier can also be adjusted.

The Play in the Crown Gear-Pinion Gear Mesh can be caused by the following:
1) Worn out Diff-Pinion Bearings & Shims
2) Worn out Differential Carrier Bearings & Shims.

This is usually caused by
1) Less Lubrication
2) Water Contamination
3) Axle Wrap in all leaf spring vehicles.

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Hi Dirty Dan
Coming to think of it, a few of these things might have happened
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you could have washed out the gear oil by going thru high water.
Waded through water recently. Yes.

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You need to check your diff's for leaks and for oil level, and oil quality, on a pretty regular basis. More often if you have gone thru water/slush.
There was a slight leak from the pumpkins. However, when the diff was drained, a good amount of thick black oil came out.

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You might ask the mech doing the repair how he is going to set the gear lash.
I did All he said was “sir, shim adjust maadbeku” (have to adjust shim)


Hi Arka,

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The Diff-Pinion Cross Shaft can be bought separately in the market.
OK. But the hole in the differential case had been damaged so the mechanics said that it HAD to be replaced
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The Play in the Spider Gears inside the Diff-Carrier can also be adjusted.
I really hope that they do a good job of it.

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This is usually caused by
1) Less Lubrication
2) Water Contamination
3) Axle Wrap in all leaf spring vehicles.
I think Axle Wrap was a major cause for this. Hope to post a vid soon
Thanks for the replies!
I have bought a differential case and all gears from somewhere and the work is proceeding now. Keeping my fingers crossed. Hope they do know the art of fixing diffs….

And Arka, A few more questions please..
1.How are your lockers holding up?
2.How many km have you clocked on them?
3.How much will I have to spend to get similar ones for my Scorpio? Any cost effective alternatives? I just want to be able to extricate myself from occasional encounters with sand and slush.

Thanks
Omkar

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And Arka, A few more questions please..
1.How are your lockers holding up?
2.How many km have you clocked on them?
3.How much will I have to spend to get similar ones for my Scorpio? Any cost effective alternatives? I just want to be able to extricate myself from occasional encounters with sand and slush.
Hi Omkar,

My Lockers are holding up pretty well. The First set was damaged because of excessive play between the Coupler and the Side Gear. But managed to get it working by mix-n-match/left-to-right swapping.

I have been using the Lockers since July 2009- July 2012. Around 30K kms for the first set and 15K for the second set.

A locker is no substitute for 4WD, i would suggest 4WD->Winch->Locker.

Regards,

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There are automatic lockers available for under $500 US for either Suzuki or Jeeps, so no need to get stuck on the $1000 figure. I researched this awhile ago online. You'd have to get a very good friend to lug it over in their suitcase, though.
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