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Old 8th January 2010, 09:06   #106
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And anyone got the parts catalogue for the CJ and FC.
Here it is. But unfortunately it's in German. You can upload to google translate whichever pages you want translated.
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Old 8th January 2010, 10:03   #107
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I always do pre-OTR service and post-OTR service at Mahindra dealership workshop for every OTR. Since I mostly drive alone to offroad events, I can't afford breakdowns.

This dealership (Karnataka Agencies) is one of the oldest and best according both Behram and Sudhir Kashyap.
I am not saying that the a certain dealership is bad or good, it's just that my experience with such vehicles has been different and have never heard about this type of failures from any my friends also, except from you. And it a dangerous situation to be in Nothing else.
My jeep was getting serviced at the only M&M dealership [than] Tarkar Automobile, had issue with service than shifted to a good old friend [DADs] and long time associate for service of our truck fleet.Last few years of the vehicle with me the jeep started going to DPC motors [the new M&M dealer], every one knew what my vehicle use to go through in a month, and the service was done that way, that's it.
My experience with the cooling system was different from your [no one could solve it] but DPC where good at the suspension and drive train maintenance.

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Have any of you guys examined the suspension of M&M pickup trucks? Are the U-bolts, shackles, ball joints, tie rods....all the suspension stuff, more robust than standard old jeep suspension parts? Pickups carry loads and I would think that some of their parts would be stronger. If so, I wonder if pickup suspension parts would be usable in a jeep and hence constitute an upgrade at least in some cases. I know it is not an easy question and you might get a yes or a no depending on what part, what pickup and what old jeep we are talking about. And you could really screw up the ride and handling of your jeep if you were not careful. But if there was, say, a pickup U-bolt that was 1.2 zerbits in diameter as opposed to a MM550 U-bolt that was .9 zerbits in diameter, then you might opt for the pickup's U-bolt. The idea is to make your jeep bullet proof.
The suspension from the looks of it are a bit better, I can not comment on it much as I do not have any other vehicles to compare them. will find out next time I go for service.
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Here it is. But unfortunately it's in German. You can upload to google translate whichever pages you want translated.
Thanks.
Actually wanted to compare the part numbers for the original CJ and FC. Or say between 540 and 640.

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from the following pic of Thar it looks IFS is not bad as i had thought.

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from the following pic of Thar it looks IFS is not bad as i had thought.
Hi JEEPster,

I think the Thar (Black) in Question, has a 65mm Body Lift, the Anti-Roll Bars are removed and the lower arm spacers have been shortened to achieve some travel.

But in the picture of the white Thar, notice the wheel travel in the front .

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hi arka,

yes the body lift totally forgotten about that.

i am not a great fan of IFS but overall package of Thar is tempting.
the only thing which is keeping me away from Thar is IFS.
but i have decided to wait till my birthday in January for TD.

after that its either Thar or a custom 4x4 with OKBJ & FFRA

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Hi,

Posting these pics here as this was the closest to the subject.

Gypsy King with Coil Spring Front and rear suspension Photographed recently In India by yours truly.
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where did you find it?

fabrication quality looks top notch.
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where did you find it?

fabrication quality looks top notch.
Photographed in Kaza (HP) during the Raid De Himalaya.

This was a Radio Car for the event. I think this would have been done at Vijay"s Motorworld setup , looks like his handiwork. His own Gypsy also has a similiar setup , amazing attention to detail.

I spoke to the guy who owns it ( was staying at the same hotel ) and he said that it handles pretty well and it is pretty much bullet proof mechanically .
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@wbd8779: can you give more info about the gypsy coil over? Which vehicles coils were used etc?
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Also dont forget, on a rigid front axle like a dana 44 or the like the GC never reduces.

The GC on An IFS system will reduce as load is applied on the suspension,so as your tire moves upwards the chassis moves downwards,not good at all.
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The Hummer H1 has IFS and IRS. Just saw a couple of videos of it in Dippys thread. Seems to do just fine.

I guess it depends on how well its designed.
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The Hummer H1 has IFS and IRS. Just saw a couple of videos of it in Dippys thread. Seems to do just fine.

I guess it depends on how well its designed.
yes the hummer is designed to be used in battlefield years & years. (at lease 20 years)

it will also go where no Jeep, Land-rover will ever dare to think.

but in the general offroad scene the H1 is not accepted as jeeps, landrovers or samurai's due to its weight, no availability of parts, etc.
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In my experience GV being a IFS 4WD is a much better trail or bad road vehicle, way superior to solid axle CJ340. But when it comes to rock crawling and offroad hill climbs, the roles reverse completely. On bad roads CJ340 can follow the GV, albeit much slowly. But when it comes to rock crawling, slush or hill climbing, CJ340 leads and GV can't even follow.
Sorry but came to this thread late. The point about IFS is also for what level of articulation it has been designed. GV's not been designed for too much articulation. DKG mentioned some video's that show really huge articulation with all wheel IFS.

I will try to get some huge articulation pics from Zuk that was built by Performance@Noida.

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The Hummer H1 has IFS and IRS. Just saw a couple of videos of it in Dippys thread. Seems to do just fine.

I guess it depends on how well its designed.
+1

Even though H1 got IFS & IRS but its GC & torque is significantly increased due to use of Geared Hubs + The design & the quality is military spec.

Also H1 Underbody is flat & neatly protected.
Something similar is designed with Rally 4WDs like Dakar spec Pajeros & Touarege having all independent suspensions.
Even the Bowlers changed to IFS & IRS with Nemesis

(BTW similar sort of portal axles (Solid) are used in Merc Unimog)

So in a way it all depends on the design & quality.

If IFS is damaged, may be we are talking about replacing a part, if SFA is damaged, may we are talking about replacing the whole axle.

So its a Debate & will remain as a debate as long as both the types exists.

Though its so true that Solid axles are better suited for offroading + the extreme part.
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