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Old 26th April 2010, 19:32   #196
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Khan Sahab,
Your Gypsy will never stops to evolve.
Thank god you did not sell it off on April 1st as planned.
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Old 26th April 2010, 23:01   #197
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PS: Thanks to swastikviji who found a good fabricator to get this made as per our design. Without his help, this (+ bumper + t-case guard) would not have been possible
Khan Sir we have to thank for Sreenivas who is the best in all aspects, he is showing same interest just like us and enjoying the mod, first thing your research is benefited a lot of us, before spidey even i doesn't know what is lockers.
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Old 27th April 2010, 10:21   #198
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Couldn't be simpler than that :-)
You can say that again, make plate do some welding and then mark the holes and tighten bolts, so very simple

Do you really think any rock will touch this?

But hey design and execution is superb! 3 cheers to you, Viji and the rest involved in making and fitting.
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Khan,

Saw Spidy on Friday & wanted to have a closer look along with you, but work got in the way!

Spidy is amazing! With the new front work, it has got a meaner attitude!

Reckon you are planning of a winch; so are you planning to put in a hard cover cabin? I am sure the cloth cover of the front cabin is getting to be a security issue.
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One of the pending items in the SPoA modification had been the steering setup. With the lift, the angle of the draglink had become acute and it was putting in lots of stress on the rod-ends.

Here is a picture of the angle of the draglink.



After much searching, even some failed attempts at fabricating parts, I managed to get hold of mercedes steering control arms. The merc arms will bolt on to the brake caliper pin and provide a point for making a X-over steering setup.

After much thought, I decided to do a X-over rather than a Hi-Steer.

Here is Viji holding the Merc arms :-)
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This is one setup that we tried: The rod-ends from bottom, but this was touching the leafs on lock to lock (Right turn)
Gypsy on Steroids -- The SPoA Project.  EDIT: Stage-2 Started now..-img0245a.jpg


So, we then redid the merc end to make the draglink rod-end to be from top.
Gypsy on Steroids -- The SPoA Project.  EDIT: Stage-2 Started now..-img0247a.jpg

Gypsy on Steroids -- The SPoA Project.  EDIT: Stage-2 Started now..-img0248a.jpg

Gypsy on Steroids -- The SPoA Project.  EDIT: Stage-2 Started now..-img0250a.jpg

Oh yes, forgot to mention then a Gypsy draglink is not adjustable and is rigid. So had to get it fabricated to take in a adjustable rod-end joint.

Lots of days & several iterations later, the steering works like a charm. have driven it just a few kms but can feel that it is on the right track now

Here is a comparison picture showing the angle:
Gypsy on Steroids -- The SPoA Project.  EDIT: Stage-2 Started now..-final.jpg

Oh yes, here is the Gypsy getting a well deserved scrub:
Gypsy on Steroids -- The SPoA Project.  EDIT: Stage-2 Started now..-img0253a.jpg

Gypsy on Steroids -- The SPoA Project.  EDIT: Stage-2 Started now..-img0254a.jpg

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Old 29th May 2010, 21:05   #201
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Good to see Spidey getting a long over-due betterment!

And, nice seats. When did you get them done?

And looks like all the sticker's at the rear door had been removed. Is it?
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New steering setup looks great!
I'll be waiting to hear more about the way she handles now..
Goodluck!

Can't wait to take a ride in your vehicle during EXAMMs and AKC!
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Old 30th May 2010, 23:28   #203
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Khan saab that link thing looks to be a simple but brilliant mod job and nice seats, custom made eh?

Spidey steers, need to change the L to R link ends and it will be really tight. Main difference is the turn in's, now it's superb and great feel on road. Actually you can feel the uneven roads on the steering now
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Khan,

very interesting project, too tempted to try this.

hatts of to your R&D, your mechanics.

i think you should get the following stuff too.

1) front axel wrap
2) roll cage
3) underbody protection

these things will make it a hardcore offroad machine.
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What to say Khan. I sat in the monster during Exxam and was pleasantly surprised to find the ride at the rear also very very comfortable.

Can you email me the blueprints please as am taking notes to shamelessly copy this design when i have a gypsy of my own??

Kudos to the whole team.
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can anyone put it in simple language whats the difference between Hi-Steer and X Over saw the setup got the idea but still not clear on this.

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can anyone put it in simple language whats the difference between Hi-Steer and X Over saw the setup got the idea but still not clear on this.
Hi-Steer: Both the draglink/tie-rod are moved up and are just like OE setup but just higher. Will create an impact on the 'ackerman angle'

X-Over: Only the tie-rod (the angular rod from steering/pitman arm to draglink) is moved up. The rod connecting the two knuckle arms remains where it was. In this the tie-rod needs to be removed from drag-link and made as an independent rod. This brings the angle of the link as close to OE as possible. Things to note: Since the drag-link & tie-rod are now independent, you will face a lot more bump-steer and steering feedback will be lot more/vibrations felt.

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i dont understand the point of moving the rod connecting the two knuckle arms ??? any particular reason.

here is the pic of what i have done in my monstar.

I have fabricated and extened the steering link.

let me know your inputs on this.
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i dont understand the point of moving the rod connecting the two knuckle arms ??? any particular reason.
Getting the setup as close to OE/stock as possible. All angles with this will be nearly like that of a OE vehicle.

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here is the pic of what i have done in my monstar.

I have fabricated and extened the steering link.

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Not clear in the picture, but I think what you have done is fabricated a custom drop pitman arm which lowers the angle of your rod and makes it as parallel to ground as possible. That should also work fine.
All such mods would have some +/- aspects on the steering setup so nothing much too worry about . Just enjoy and have fun.!!!
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Getting the setup as close to OE/stock as possible. All angles with this will be nearly like that of a OE vehicle.


Not clear in the picture, but I think what you have done is fabricated a custom drop pitman arm which lowers the angle of your rod and makes it as parallel to ground as possible. That should also work fine.
All such mods would have some +/- aspects on the steering setup so nothing much too worry about . Just enjoy and have fun.!!!
for your first point :

khan this rod angle is not chaning in any case so why to touch this?? x over setup seems more practical to me.

you got it right for my vehicle, i have just extended it.

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