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Old 2nd February 2011, 10:53   #226
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One question , my MG410 is undergoing a 1.6 conversion , shackle lift (same as Vijay sir's) and 235 size MTs . Does my gypsy need a traction bar?
Your gypsy will require a traction bar if the prop shaft angle changes more than 3 - 5 degrees!
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Your gypsy will require a traction bar if the prop shaft angle changes more than 3 - 5 degrees!
Sir thanks for the reply whether i need a traction bar or not .
Now the traction bar is added in the list of mods . Any other mods i should do to have safe running ?
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Your gypsy will require a traction bar if the prop shaft angle changes more than 3 - 5 degrees!
Hi Vikram,

You are in your "UNCLE" est form.

Don't you think it should be differential pinion angle or just if the differential pitches more than stock.

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Viji, doberman isnt SPOA'd right? Why does it need traction bar then? Could it be some other issue?
More due to crawler gear ratio and as below.

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The Axle-Wrap is due to the Shackle Lift, further aggravated by the Crawlers Gears (More Torque) and Heavier Tyres (31")
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I agree with you headers sir . One question , my MG410 is undergoing a 1.6 conversion , shackle lift (same as Vijay sir's) and 235 size MTs . Does my gypsy need a traction bar?
Nope you don't need a traction bar, is what i feel. Allen is running heavier tires also without any issues.
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Your gypsy will require a traction bar if the prop shaft angle changes more than 3 - 5 degrees!
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Don't you think it should be differential pinion angle or just if the differential pitches more than stock.
You are right-it is differential pinion angle SIR! I was in a hurry and did not type it all!!


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Nope you don't need a traction bar, is what i feel. Allen is running heavier tires also without any issues.
Sir, we actually dont know whether he has had any problem. He has his own workshop to set things right - right?

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Nope you don't need a traction bar, is what i feel. Allen is running heavier tires also without any issues.
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Sir, we actually dont know whether he has had any problem. He has his own workshop to set things right - right?
Vikram sir and Jaggu sir now im confused .
Please help me soon .
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Vikram sir and Jaggu sir now im confused .
Please help me soon .
Does the spacer and outward facing wheels increase width of the vehicle? If yes, Allen has spacers and largers wheels with outward facing wheels and gives better manuering.

I may be wrong.

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EDIT: Moved it here coz its more relevant;

Karizma, you can check here (Gypsy on Steroids -- The SPoA Project. EDIT: Stage-2 Started now..) to understand more.

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Sir, we actually dont know whether he has had any problem. He has his own workshop to set things right - right?
What is with this Sir thingie?? When did we all become so nostalgic about the brits???

Anyways as far as i know, Allen never had any spring issues. Allen is here, so he can clarify. I personally dont think the torque differential from a 1.3 to 1.6 will cause such an issue.

Even with crawlers in high gear the spring, axle etc are safe.

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If yes, Allen has spacers and largers wheels with outward facing wheels and gives better manuering.
Right and wrong, Allen iirc has custom rims built to accommodate the bigger tyres.

Anyways where are you Allen!!!

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to all the sirs,
sorry have been a bit busy restoring vintage vehicles

here goes.
my 1.6 is running on stock 410 differentials
custom shackle lift with a rear comfort design

heres my suggestions

if anyones going spoa (whatever the engine be) please get a traction bar

for a gypsy running a 1.3 and just a shackle lift without crawlers your stock suspension will do just fine

karizma this is for u
for a gypsy running a 1.6 and only a shackle lift and whatever tyres (235 or 31x10.5)(no crawler gears)
you do not need a traction bar
but please reinforce your springs
i have personally added 2 extra springs on each setup

i have never faced any issues with my suspension till date

vikram if i did i would have updated my thread and warned others about the same
dwarka sir, im running fused alloys without spacers giving me my needed offset
i do not recommend spacers for gypsy's at all
have seen lots of axles break with them
including my green delhi gypsy


regards,

Allan
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vikram if i did i would have updated my thread and warned others about the same
dwarka sir, im running fused alloys without spacers giving me my needed offset
i do not recommend spacers for gypsy's at all
have seen lots of axles break with them
including my green delhi gypsy
Nevermind Allan, its good to know your inputs for the experts here to decide..

My POV is if one changes the wheel CL, then the load points get disturbed and this aint good for "my" off road style of driving. [I gotta be careful with what i post and where ]
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karizma this is for u
for a gypsy running a 1.6 and only a shackle lift and whatever tyres (235 or 31x10.5)(no crawler gears)
you do not need a traction bar
but please reinforce your springs
i have personally added 2 extra springs on each setup

i have never faced any issues with my suspension till date
Allan thanks a lot for the help , since my tyres are 235/75-R15 should i add 2 extra leafs or just 1 is enough . Reinforcement of springs is needed for all 4 wheels or just the rear .
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id suggest two
this basically makes the entire setup more rigid which will prevent ur axle from wrapping to some extent


there is another method which i had tried on orangie
that is turning the whole axle and diff and rewelding the leaf spring perches

karizma, all four please
also your transfer case mounts are gonna act up cause of the added torque generated
i think vikram has a solution for this :-)

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id suggest two
this basically makes the entire setup more rigid which will prevent ur axle from wrapping to some extent

there is another method which i had tried on orangie
that is turning the whole axle and diff and rewelding the leaf spring perches
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karizma, all four please
also your transfer case mounts are gonna act up cause of the added torque generated
i think vikram has a solution for this :-)
OK done . But that would make the ride harsh right .

You mean i have to beef up the T-case mounts . Vikram sir your inputs please for the T-case.
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to all the sirs,
sorry have been a bit busy restoring vintage vehicles

here goes.
my 1.6 is running on stock 410 differentials
custom shackle lift with a rear comfort design

heres my suggestions

if anyones going spoa (whatever the engine be) please get a traction bar

for a gypsy running a 1.3 and just a shackle lift without crawlers your stock suspension will do just fine

karizma this is for u
for a gypsy running a 1.6 and only a shackle lift and whatever tyres (235 or 31x10.5)(no crawler gears)
you do not need a traction bar
but please reinforce your springs
i have personally added 2 extra springs on each setup

i have never faced any issues with my suspension till date

vikram if i did i would have updated my thread and warned others about the same
dwarka sir, im running fused alloys without spacers giving me my needed offset
i do not recommend spacers for gypsy's at all
have seen lots of axles break with them
including my green delhi gypsy


regards,

Allan
Thanks for clarifying Allan. I have setup of 1.8 ltr Isuzu engine and gearbox mated to Gypsy (not King) T-case. Suspension has two extra blades added and dog shackle mounted. Mine is Wide chassis 1ltr gypsy chassis. Will I have any issues with the present setup?

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Thanks for clarifying Allan. I have setup of 1.8 ltr Isuzu engine and gearbox mated to Gypsy (not King) T-case. Suspension has two extra blades added and dog shackle mounted. Mine is Wide chassis 1ltr gypsy chassis. Will I have any issues with the present setup?

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dwaraka sir,

perfect suspension setup imho
id love to come down someday and try the engine gearbox combo someday
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