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Old 30th May 2009, 17:12   #1
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Question Performance Clutch for MG 413 Gypsy

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Can you please enlighten on the clutch plates used on the Pepped up Gypsies?

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Old 31st May 2009, 21:20   #2
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Hi Mexxxentric, Most of the really hotted up INRC and Raid Gypsies use Exedy Clutches, Stage 2 I think.

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Hi Mexxxentric, Most of the really hotted up INRC and Raid Gypsies use Exedy Clutches, Stage 2 I think.

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Hi all,

Sorry to divulge a bit from what's being discussed on the thread, but I also think these questions will help alot of people decide.
  1. What are the pros and cons of using performance clutches?
  2. What other parts need to be up-graded to prevent failure? (Clutch spring(s), actuation mechanism, pressure plate, push-rod)
  3. When does it become necessary to up-grade the clutch?
I would definitely like this information before changing the OE clutch to a performance one. Anyone with experience, please share it with us.
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Hi all,

Sorry to divulge a bit from what's being discussed on the thread, but I also think these questions will help alot of people decide.
  1. What are the pros and cons of using performance clutches?
  2. What other parts need to be up-graded to prevent failure? (Clutch spring(s), actuation mechanism, pressure plate, push-rod)
  3. When does it become necessary to up-grade the clutch?
I would definitely like this information before changing the OE clutch to a performance one. Anyone with experience, please share it with us.
answer to question 3

-I need it because the new engine will be producing more torque and power, which an OE clutch can't handle.
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answer to question 3

-I need it because the new engine will be producing more torque and power, which an OE clutch can't handle.
Uh, huh. So you purchased a new engine without knowing whether you could obtain a clutch to match? Maybe you should start at the beginning of the story. You are more likely to find members who can help you if you do.
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there are clutch plates available for gypsies, these are basically for hardcore offroaders so it can take more abuse.. i think you can use that.. it should cost around 15k. one of the members. satan (Neville) has one for his gypsy.
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Uh, huh. So you purchased a new engine without knowing whether you could obtain a clutch to match? Maybe you should start at the beginning of the story. You are more likely to find members who can help you if you do.
I agree with Dan here.
Do post what engine you are changing to, it will be easier to solve your problem with this info.
Right now any solutions given may not help.

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Mexxentric, tell us more about your engine and planned mods. How do you plan to increase the torque of the 1.3 engine?

Since the title of the thread says "Performance Clutch for MG413", I am guessing that it will be the original Gypsy engine souped up. At the most, it might be a Baleno 1.6L engine. If this is the case, the same peformance clutch can be used in both Suzuki 1.3L and 1.6L applications. Clamping provided by Exedy Stage 2 should suffice. Anybody have the Product Code for this?
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Mexxentric, tell us more about your engine and planned mods. How do you plan to increase the torque of the 1.3 engine?
As per my understanding, one cannot mod the engine to increase the torque.
The torque increase has to be done via the gear box.
Any engine mods like FFE, CAI, Porting etc will result in an increase in BHP.
Though to be honest, I feel that for OTR and street use (especially Gypsy) an increase in power will be sufficient.

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Hey Gypsy-boy,

You do actually increase torque with most mods.

Torque is a multiple of the force experienced at the top of the piston. So whenever we modify the vehicle to run better and burn more fuel, along with power, torque increases as well.

Power by the way is a multiple of torque and speed <read rpm>

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Sorry guys,

I was off the topic for a few days.

DD & Gypsy boy,

The "story" is up here
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-te...-mg-416-w.html (Project MG 416 W)

The engine is 1590cc, mpfi Baleno block pumping out 91 bhp@5500rpm & 130.5N-m@3000rpm.

I've purchased the engine( actually a whole car ) and started the project after doing a bit reading and confirming the availability of bolt on parts in some other part of the globe.
Pertoworks(US) after market clutch plate for Suzuki Samurai was the one in my mind.

But my objective is to use locally available spares as far as possible.
I posted in the banner of MG 413-
-because I've King's GB and flywheel mated to the 1.6 engine.
- and to get lead to a tried and tested product rather than a speculated one; more 413s are there than 416s.

My application include mild offroading and some rough speeding.
I need a clutch that can stand that abuse without slipping even in 4L.

Gypsy boy, contrary to your understanding OTR needs low end torque.
The concept you have is regarding "torque on wheels" (which we increase considerably by shifting to 4L)

what is the approximate price of Exedy Stage 2 clutch assembly?
From where can I outsource it?

As of now, I am installing King's OE clutch.
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