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Old 10th February 2011, 11:52   #31
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Thanks a lot Spike. Won't call you Sir again

Few more:
1) Electric to manual conversion: Why is it not recommended? What can possibly go wrong? Am asking as I want to keep as little electronic dependency as possible.

2) Propeller shaft: Are shorter propeller shafts available for any other variant or does it require the old one to be cut to size (Am assuming that's a reliable thing to do)

3) Will the differential pumpkin orientation remain the same as the current setup? (towards the right when looking from the rear)

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1) Electric to manual conversion: Why is it not recommended? What can possibly go wrong? Am asking as I want to keep as little electronic dependency as possible.
Basically the internal mechanisms are different, you can do some jugaad, Reliability will be doubtful then, hence not recommended.

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2) Propeller shaft: Are shorter propeller shafts available for any other variant or does it require the old one to be cut to size (Am assuming that's a reliable thing to do)
You can shorten the existing long propeller shaft to a smaller size or use propeller shaft from Thar, which in most cases will be a direct fit (NGT 530 + Adapter plates + BW TC)

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3) Will the differential pumpkin orientation remain the same as the current setup? (towards the right when looking from the rear)
If you use BW TC you will need a left offset differential.

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PS- I just realized today the pain and frustration you guys must be going through sourcing parts, when I saw these barely used Transmissions kept for scrap! Alas..

520 :- M&M Engine and Gearbox combos for JEEPs-ngt520.jpg

530 :- M&M Engine and Gearbox combos for JEEPs-ngt530.jpg

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Old 10th February 2011, 20:10   #33
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1) Electric to manual conversion: Why is it not recommended? What can possibly go wrong? Am asking as I want to keep as little electronic dependency as possible.
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Basically the internal mechanisms are different, you can do some jugaad, Reliability will be doubtful then, hence not recommended.
Comments on converting Armada Grand/ Bolero 4x4 from electric shift to manual using Thar (ie parts catalogue) parts please.

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Mr Spike! Please give credit to original photographer!!
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...arbox-side.jpg
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...er-housing.jpg
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^^ Jyobeb, all credits to you! I have no idea from where I got these pics. Thanks again for clarification.

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Old 11th February 2011, 12:01   #36
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Basically the internal mechanisms are different, you can do some jugaad, Reliability will be doubtful then, hence not recommended.
This is interesting, so what is arguably the less reliable mechanism (electronic) than the lever-style has lesser reliability when converted back to manual?? Surely need to know why. Wasn't the B/W offered with manual shift before the Thar also?

Anyone who knows about the Scorpios in B'lore who can comment about the reliability of the lever style?

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PS- I just realized today the pain and frustration you guys must be going through sourcing parts, when I saw these barely used Transmissions kept for scrap! Alas..
I don't know if you are empathizing with us here or mocking us but actually turns out I didn't have such a tough time tracing the stuff.

Thanks Spike!
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whats the opinion of jeep gurus on the NEF 3600 NA DI engine with factory fitted 5 speed GB?

will it be possible to add T18 or BW 1350 with some Jugaad?
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whats the opinion of jeep gurus on the NEF 3600 NA DI engine with factory fitted 5 speed GB?

will it be possible to add T18 or BW 1350 with some Jugaad?
I personally don't see a point to this transplant. Doesn't achieve much in terms of power or torque. What engine is this? Which vehicle uses it? Going by the specs, even the D2 engine in the Xylo is a good choice but as its been launched recently finding one will be tough.

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Doesn't achieve much in terms of power or torque.
What engine is this? Which vehicle uses it?
this is from a MM CABKING TRUCK so i am confused about its type.

the cabking came with following three engines.
NEF 3600 NA DI
2609 cc
62 bhp
150 nm
lucas rotary FIP
EUV 3600 NA DI
2609 cc
62 bhp
150 nm
lucas rotary FIP
MDI 3200 B
2523 cc
53 bhp
162 nm
mico FIP
XD3P(72 BHP,155Nm of torque) not available in my locality.
XDP 4.90 (62 BHP,112Nm) want to replace.
MDI3200(Direct Injection,63BHP, 180Nm, which is an upgraded version of MDI3000/2350) priced at around 70 to 80 K in second hand market & not available.

the D2 engine is CRDE version & very expensive & not available.

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This engine is very similar to the Scorpio 2.6, except that it is normally aspirated. Its very large and heavy with the same dimensions as the Scorpio 2.6l. Not a good idea.

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can the KMT90/T18 gearbox/transfercase combo be rebuild so that it will work as silent as the bolero gerabox ? spike, db sir, jeep gurus, pls advice.
my kmt90 is not refined, am not satisfied with the noise factor, what can be done to eleminate this noisy aspect ?
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Transmissions kept for scrap! Alas..

520 :- Attachment 499074

530 :- Attachment 499076
Why are they kept for scrap? What is the scrap price expected ?

Also, any pointers on a slicker GB than the NGT 530 for these engines?

Has anyone opened the GB to work on the leverages to make it better?

Inputs appreciated.
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Why are they kept for scrap?
Some of these are removed from test vehicles, some are removed from new vehicles so that a prototype can be substituted. Some are never used at all. As inventory builds up they are sold.

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What is the scrap price expected ?
Can range from a few hundreds to a few thousands, depends on the seller. But one thing is sure, these guys get stuff for a pittance (sometimes things are sold in terms of their weight)

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Also, any pointers on a slicker GB than the NGT 530 for these engines?
You will see that soon

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Has anyone opened the GB to work on the leverages to make it better?
Yes, not just the GB (Synchros mainly) but the actuation mechanisms have also been worked around.

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Spikeeee please don't kill us like this
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spike,
you make our hearts have an attack, seeing the prices for which scrap is sold.

can you make something so these scraps are available to genuine wanters like us - jeepers, who search from hell to heaven, for nice items like the NGT GBs, BW TCs etc.,.

Best Regards.

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