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Old 4th February 2011, 10:56   #1
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Default DDIS in 1990 Gypsy sj410, will it work?

hi guys,

i have a 1990 gypsy which needs a new cylinder head.

so i thought why not a diesel gypsy?

the reason is the amazing torque of Diesel engines. (109 NM SUZUKI) (209 NM FIAT)

should i do it? or not?


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the current 970cc F10A (petrol) makes around 45 HP & 75 NM. (??)

the 1298cc G13BB MPFI (petrol) makes----- 80 bhp @ 6000 rpm & 103 Nm @ 4500 rpm.

the swift 1,248cc DDIS (diesel) makes -----75 ps @ 4000 rpm & 190 Nm @ 2000 rpm.
the FIAT version of DDIS (diesel) makes ---90 HP @ 4000 rpm & 209 NM @ 2000 rpm.
(i just celebrated 24th birthday so the reliability is not concern till i become 50 )

@ mods: i searched this section but didn't find any thread for this topic.
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Jeepster go for the DDIS engine in case you get it with the ECM and wiring harness. It sure will fit in the engine bay of the gypsy.

Are the transmissions same for the gypsy, esteem and swift d.?

You can even remap the DDIS to get the power of the thar engine
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I think you should go ahead and do it. Although I do not have any examples but Szuki itself sells Jimny with this diesel engine in certain markets abroad.

The only thing you have to take care is that whether the gearbox and differential will be able to take that much of extra torque. For that you will have to talk to some expert mechanic to upgrade your transfer box or maybe some differential parts.
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My only doubts are the gear box mating and the clutch. I think you should check on the gearbox fitting on to the DDiS engine in details before you set out. Another word of caution are the electronic sensors on the engine. Ensure proper water proofing is done.

In paper the combo looks juicy, especially with a crawler gear incorporated.
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Are the transmissions same for the gypsy, esteem and swift d.?
no the gypsy has strait GB
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The only thing you have to take care is that whether the gearbox and differential will be able to take that much of extra torque.
yes the 5 speed gypsy king GB will easily take care of the torque.
but currently 4 speed will be used. (to keep costs down)
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My only doubts are the gear box mating and the clutch. I think you should check on the gearbox fitting on to the DDiS engine in details before you set out.
yes the bellhousing adapter-plate is the only major issue.
the electronic sensors are problem but G13BB MPFI king also have it so i am not concerned about it.

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hi guys,

i have a 1990 gypsy which needs a new cylinder head.

so i thought why not a diesel gypsy?

the reason is the amazing torque of Diesel engines. (109 NM SUZUKI) (209 NM FIAT)

should i do it? or not?



(i just celebrated 24th birthday so the reliability is not concern till i become 50 )

@ mods: i searched this section but didn't find any thread for this topic.
I had suggested the same to some Gypsy guy on this forum sometime back.

Shoehorning the wonderful FIAT multijet engine into the Gypsy is not a troublesome task, its infact easier.

You only have to make a conversion plate with Aluminium block / iron plate. Get a reilable mechanic and the transfer can be done.

All this is possible, if you can get the Multijet engine with the ecm and wiring harness.

When a 1969 VW Beetle stock gearbox can get shoehorned with a 1300cc esteem engine, why not a gypsy.
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Question... how are you going to get this approved by the RTO. I've heard that RTO's have stopped registering different engines for cars. Can some one confirm?
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Shoehorning the wonderful FIAT multijet engine into the Gypsy is not a troublesome task, its infact easier.

You only have to make a conversion plate with Aluminium block / iron plate. Get a reilable mechanic and the transfer can be done.

When a 1969 VW Beetle stock gearbox can get shoehorned with a 1300cc esteem engine, why not a gypsy.
thanks for the inputs sir.

the adapter plate is the major part.
i will look for competant workshop locally other wise it will have to be done at Pune or Hyderabad.
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Question... how are you going to get this approved by the RTO. I've heard that RTO's have stopped registering different engines for cars. Can some one confirm?
yes it is not possible to DIESELise any vehicle now.
but who cares.
people like A. Raja & Ashok Chavan are my inspiration.

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the electronic sensors are problem but G13BB MPFI king also have it so i am not concerned about it.
A word of caution. DO NOT compare electronics of MPFI with DDiS, they are very different animals. MPFI is very tolerant also, DDiS is not that much and it has many more sensors in the engine bay.
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thanks Jaguu.

in that case i can use it as daily vehicle & weekend offroader.
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nice,
ddis engine
i have this planned and scheduled for the end of this year
the torque the combo will generate will be phenomenal
go for a gypsy king gearbox mated to the engine

keep us updated
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When a 1969 VW Beetle stock gearbox can get shoehorned with a 1300cc esteem engine, why not a gypsy.
hahahah,
i did the same thing
but the 1.6 baleno

runs like a dream, only changed it to a carburated setup
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Default Re: DDIS in 1990 Gypsy sj410, will it work?

The engine will cost you a tidy packet. And I'm not too confident of the heavy turbo-lag in offroading conditions either. Personally, I'd choose a 1.3 petrol engine.

A related thread (Will Maruti ever launch Gypsy with 1.3L DDI-S Engine ?)
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would have to agree with GTO. reliability should be the top on your list. it is not impossible to fit DDIS engine, but you would need someone to execute the job well. plus, the cost of th DDIS engine + wiring + ECM would set you back by a lakh or more add to that the installation and mods required plus the headache.
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Price of DDiS engine+wiring+ESM is the main concern here I guess. It will cost more than 1L. Totalled DDiS engined cars are going for 2L plus, so getting an engine for <1L will be a challenge here. I have unsuccessfully tried getting one of these at decent prices myself.

1.3 DDiS engine rules the Indian Automotive Market today.

The adapter plate should not be as big an issue, as a host of other engines have already been transplanted into the gypsy till now. If this conversion goes through I would be more worried about the puny little Gypsy clutch plate handling the extra torque produced.
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