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Old 8th September 2011, 10:13   #76
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As of now, the Leyland w04ct engine and gearbox and TC combo off the Leyland stallion, unless I get a 14BT in good condition.
Hi Beboy,

IIRC, the Stallion(2.5 & 5 Ton) have the W06D (TCIC) with 6 speed ZFF Gear Box & ZFF Divorced T-Case.

The Engine weight 395-425kgs

Gearbox -170-200Kgs

T-Case is close to 150Kgs.

Then comes the interesting part of making the Prop-Shafts.

You will be better off buying the Stallion and plonking the Station Wagon Body on it, like a Monster Truck

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Some 4 L , 4 cylinder options

isuzu 4BD1T .. 135 BHP @4500RPM , 33KGM , 330KGS
Cummins 4BT 105BHP@3500RPM , 38KGM , 340KGS
Nissan BD30T 130BHP@3800RPM , 26KGM

How much is the cummins 4bt ? what condition.

What transmission have you planned.
Hi Sandeep,

Please suggest some suitable Gearbox T-Case combinations for the above engines, and also the engine weights.

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I was pretty sure the older stallions came with a 4 cylinder Hino! Arka, what are my options for a 4 cylinder engine that will give me a minimum of 125 bhp and 35kgm torque. Mechanical engines only, no Common Rail.
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What are the specs of the Cummins 4B available to you?? They are available upto 140bhp and 45kgm ratings.

Considering that the 4BT is just a 6BT with 2 cylinders less, may be some gearboxes from Tata may fit.
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Hi Arka .

I have no experience with these engines. I drove a cummins 4bt in a nissan 1 ton .

These engines in India come in earth moving machines . My friend owns a big company who import machines ,hence i know the specs and i can source anything for my self.I have seen those machines though .. These engines rattle the crap out of you , the isuzu is slightly smoother and fuel efficient . Not yet seen anyone plonking them in a Jeep in India . They are YUCKY.

jyobeb, the isuzu 4bd1t comes in the Hitachi EX 100/120 .

Julupani , the cummins 4bt in India comes in compressors and L&T KOMATSU PC135 which is rated 135 HP.

BD30 too comes in some machine which i forgot .

You can get hold of any machine mechanic and source them.
Make sure you get the inline pump and calibrate your pump for automobile use .

Arka, will our KMT90, isuzu trooper or prado GBs take the power of these engines?
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I was pretty sure the older stallions came with a 4 cylinder Hino! Arka, what are my options for a 4 cylinder engine that will give me a minimum of 125 bhp and 35kgm torque. Mechanical engines only, no Common Rail.
Hi Beboy,

What will you do with 125+ BHP and 35Kgm torque?

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Old 8th September 2011, 14:29   #82
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I need an engine that will move my 35" wheels smartly and quickly. I want an engine that will haul my 2 ton vehicle with ease and will also haul a trailer.
Any suggestions for me?
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What will you do with 125+ BHP and 35Kgm torque?

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I need an engine that will move my 35" wheels smartly and quickly. I want an engine that will haul my 2 ton vehicle with ease and will also haul a trailer.
Any suggestions for me?

Hi Beboy,

My suggestion would be pick up a ALS and reduce the Wheel Base and add the Body on Top.

Using the Engine gearbox T-Case/Suspension & Diffs & Steering setup.

What diffs do you think will hold up to 35Kgm, with 35" Tyres and a trailer.

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I should just buy your 1 tonne! Is it for sale?
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jyobeb, the isuzu 4bd1t comes in the Hitachi EX 100/120 .
Not any more. In fact there is no Hitachi any more, its all Telcon/Tata Hitachi. The Isuzu engines are only used in the high hp operations. Telcon uses either Tata 497, Tata 697 or Cummins 6BT engines now.

So, you will have to source this from an old Hitachi excavator.

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Julupani , the cummins 4bt in India comes in compressors and L&T KOMATSU PC135 which is rated 135 HP.
As far as I know, these would be using Komatsu engines, rather than Cummins.

Cummis 4BT would be most easily found in Diesel Generators.
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There is a chap with about 100 4BT engines in Chennai. The guy who sold it to him from Malaysia is a friend of mine. I don't know why he has not brought it into the market yet.
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Not any more. In fact there is no Hitachi any more, its all Telcon/Tata Hitachi. The Isuzu engines are only used in the high hp operations. Telcon uses either Tata 497, Tata 697 or Cummins 6BT engines now.

So, you will have to source this from an old Hitachi excavator.

julupani, the isuzu is STILL USED in the tata hitachi zaxis.



As far as I know, these would be using Komatsu engines, rather than Cummins.

Cummis 4BT would be most easily found in Diesel Generators.
julupani, the isuzu 4BT is STILL USED in the tata hitachi zaxis. Cummins 4bt is used in the komatsu pc135 . Please verify .

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Any suggestions for me?
So what B'Day present have you decided for yourself?

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Probably a Toyota 1KZTE with the electronic pump removed and replaced with a mechanical pump! 125 bhp and about 287 Nm torque. I drove a truck with a 4Bt and man did I hate the engine!
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Probably a Toyota 1KZTE with the electronic pump removed and replaced with a mechanical pump! 125 bhp and about 287 Nm torque. I drove a truck with a 4Bt and man did I hate the engine!
Hi jyobeb, is it the 3.3L prado diesel engine. I too got a quote for this engine . But i was not convinced on converting to the manual pump. The same source has a manual prado gear box .

Can you share your experience driving the 4bt truck in detail
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