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Old 2nd July 2011, 00:02   #16
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Unimog is completely a different breed. even the vintage one is a great offroader.

where as 407 is just a 1 tonner with 4x4. i am sure the 4x4 is useless with the full load with that puny engine.

just for the info, there is a version of Unimog you can convert from left hand drive to right hand drive in 1 minute flat. the control along with steering is mounted on a rail.
Thanks for the correct answer in the thread (i have made it bold).

thats why the 407 was discontinued and the Indian army has a new TATA 4x4 in 2-3 ton catagory.

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again correction!!
713 is there in the indian army for many years now. it had old merc derived shape, but this facelift what you have uploaded is even now in its 7 or 8 years.

major difference being a 6 cylinder engine with completely different vacuum braking system, diff locks, etc. So with this engine power to weight ratio is excellent.

and simply hear the sound when it passes by, absolutely pure music to a truck lover.

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Long range 4x4 trekking in the Himalayas is a balancing act. You need size to haul the stuff you need for remote excursions, including lots of fuel. But if you are too big you will have trouble negotiating small village marketplaces and narrow mountain roads carved from the sides of 500 meter cliffs. And, of course, once you are .... stuck in the muck with a truck...you are STUCK! ...and that sucks....(no violations yet so here ends the "uck" poetics).

There is nothing on the Indian market tailor made for long range trekking. As just a sub-species of 4x4 it's way too small a niche. So, vehicles like the Thar CRDe, the Getaway, Bolero Camper, Tata 407, Safari, Xenon ...all are worthy of consideration, with the fore knowledge that some planning and modification will be needed. None of them are Unimogs. But the Himalayas will erode away to nubs before we see an Indian Unimog.

Also, for remote trekking you need stone cold reliability. Worst case scenario, you break down in the Himalayas and have to leave your vehicle up there for seven months because the passes close before you can get a mechanic and parts to your problem child.

Perhaps B.D. can resurrect the glory days of Land Rover and conjure us up a Himalayan cruiser. It will be called the "Yak"..or maybe the "Ibex". The third offered name, the "Wild *ss" will be thrown out for obscure reasons.
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As far as I know the Army rarely uses any Tata 407s, they are mostly used by paramilitary forces as troop carriers and not in any tactical situation. Its payload capacity is not high enough. The Army mostly uses Tata LPTA 713
and the Leyland Stallions.

I think from the point of view of a motorhome, a Tata 713/715 chassis would be a better option. These have a slighter higher payload capacity. Considering the larger number of these, I am thinking more would be getting disposed off as well.
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Guys thanks a lot for help with ideas and advise.
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I saw some TATA older 604 trucks at Mayapuri more than a year ago. They are similar to the 713 but an older version. I cannot confirm whether they had diff locks etc but were surely 4X4 and in pretty good condition. I am sure asking around in Mayapuri will surely lead some results.
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I saw some TATA older 604 trucks at Mayapuri more than a year ago. They are similar to the 713 but an older version. I cannot confirm whether they had diff locks etc but were surely 4X4 and in pretty good condition. I am sure asking around in Mayapuri will surely lead some results.
I am sorry, but you are definitely mistaken about the model number here. There never was anything like a 604. A Tata "xx04" would mean a 40bhp engine, definitely not a possibilty. The only Tata engines with a power rating lower than 50bhp are the 2cylinder engines powering the Nano and the Ace.

The only "6xx" trucks have been the 608s and the 609s and I dont think either one of them were ever the basis of 4x4s for the Army. Among older Army 4x4s from Tata were the 808s and obviously the 1210s.
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I am sorry, but you are definitely mistaken about the model number here. There never was anything like a 604. A Tata "xx04" would mean a 40bhp engine, definitely not a possibilty. The only Tata engines with a power rating lower than 50bhp are the 2cylinder engines powering the Nano and the Ace.

The only "6xx" trucks have been the 608s and the 609s and I dont think either one of them were ever the basis of 4x4s for the Army. Among older Army 4x4s from Tata were the 808s and obviously the 1210s.
Sorry I meant the Tata LPTA 610/32

the "610" . Don't know why I mentioned 604. Monday morning blues I guess!
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Sorry I meant the Tata LPTA 610/32

the "610" . Don't know why I mentioned 604. Monday morning blues I guess!
Ok, awfully rare truck. But again, my memory says, these were never used by the Army, but by some paramlitary forces. Also they were standard 4x2s and not 4x4s.
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Some of these trucks 713 were for sale in WB.

I got my army disposal gypsy last year from same place

(Trucks like Shaktiman, Nissan 1 tonner ,Tata etc where on sale )













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again correction!!
713 is there in the indian army for many years now. it had old merc derived shape, but this facelift what you have uploaded is even now in its 7 or 8 years.

major difference being a 6 cylinder engine with completely different vacuum braking system, diff locks, etc. So with this engine power to weight ratio is excellent.

and simply hear the sound when it passes by, absolutely pure music to a truck lover.

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1. Army never used a 4X4 TATA 407. It is being used by parmilitary forces.
2. Army does have TATA 407, which is 4X2 and is used in non combatant duties like farming(The colour of the vehicle also may not be OG). The authorized number of these vehicles is very miniscule.
3. 407 has the same engine as the 207, which is being used extensively by the army in UN duties. However, this also is not a 4X4.
4. 713 is a different breed when compared to 407. It has been approved to carry 2.5 tons of weight. It has a differential lock. It does not have a 4H function.
5. Army has ambulances(capacity = 4 patients) based on Swaraj Mazda and TATA 713.

Dirty Dan has apparently brought out the gist by mentioning the bulk and reliablity factor of using such a vehicle for the above mentioned task of wandering in Himalayas or otherwise.
713 uses a full sized truck wheel(equivalent to 1210, 16xx, etc) which itself is a task to change by single person when compared to SUVs mentioned by DD.
713 has to be towed by a recovery vehicle only.
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