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Old 8th July 2011, 18:21   #16
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Why do you need a 4x4 then? It increases the vehicle weight, pushes up the cost of acquiring and maintaining the vehicle and is next to useless on city roads.

well, nostalgic value and a desire to be able to take on roads/tracks that a normal 2wd cannot do.
but yes - i would want what people call a "lifestyle 4x4".

from the reviews/responses that i am getting - it does look like a heart over mind thing

@spike - do you have some timelines on the improved Thar that you mentioned in your response?
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Thar would be double your budget of 3L!

take a look at a used gypsy under 3 L. (2nd option to 550 with a 2.6 engine) and get it fitted with an AC and PS.

gypsy could be the answer to all your questions:

petrol vehicle ok on pocket for your weekend drive.

requires less visits to the garage compared to the rebuild 550 with a scorpio engine!

easily to repair, cheaper to repair.

easy to fit AC and PS.

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1. Does the 2.6 CRDE motor require the ECM too?
2. I checked with Divgi Warner - and was informed that the BW transfer case is not available new in the aftermarket - what options remain ?
yes the CRDE has a ECM.

yes & no.
divgi-warner only sell their product to mahindra, tata, ford in other words only to manufactures.

but now you can buy a new borg warner transfer case in M.A.S.S. if you can convince them.
the new transfer case will cost around 85K excluding labor charges.

i was saying to buy this in scrap yard. (some one i know in Delhi wanted to sell a KMT90+BW manual)

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so primarily - you are saying that if i want a 4x4 jeep for daily drive or even weekend drive and not much off roading - i should not be looking at the old jeeps and getting them restored option?

OT:what are the options reg. safety? how to ensure that the jeep is safe when parked during the night? Does Thar come with a immobiliser? or?
what i am saying is buy a working 4x4 jeep (540 or even major) , use for some time, then decide if you want to modify it or not.

& all vehicles can be stolen within 15 minuts so buy a scrap-ish jeep & no one will tuch it.
jokes apart, the things in the jeep are not secure as its soft top.

& older jeeps dosent have a immobilisers but i think Thar can be fitted with one. (which IMO dosent make a difference)

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...pless-4x4.html (How to safeguard your topless 4x4.)

please go trough following threads.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/street...st-stolen.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/street...ts-inside.html (White Bolero stolen. And then RECOVERED using GPS Tech!! Screenshots inside)

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/street...ro-stolen.html (Brand new Bolero stolen!)

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Most of us speak highly of the Thar here ! Must be a good mahindra product
we just referred the Thar as the requirements of shri.

the Thar is a small wheel base Scorpio under mm 540 body tub.
it drives like a Scorpio too.
but currently AC is not offered as standard, one has to fit it at M.A.S.S. after the purchase.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-te...ndra-thar.html (Advice on fitting an air-conditioner in the Mahindra Thar)

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HI Sach.Sri, while everyone is stuck on the breakdown if the costs of your project, the first question you should address is whether it is possible.

Well yes it is and a few people from our forum have already done it, successfully. Please go through this thread.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...red-mm550.html (Xtreme Power does a Scorpio Powered MM550)

Although you dont have to undertake the additional mods involved in this vehicle, you can get an idea.



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Exactly what I thought as well, Having never owned a 4x4 and not having a thorough knowhow the mechanics could easily take me for a ride. I scrapped the idea of getting a old army MM550 (or even a MM540) rebuild.
With Thar out of my budget (2L) Im looking at decently maintained CL500 or CL550's.
Hi Vikrut, please also go through the above thread.
Whatever the swap costs you, trust me, it will be way below the Thar's price. Add to that the additional mods you would have to undertake on the Thar. You can do the math.

There wont be any reliability issues if the swap is done by a reputed person and there are many on this forum who will guide you towards such people, out of their own experiences.

I would say, if you're bent on spending your money for a Thar, then consider both options, see what mainly your use is going to be and then decide. Dot decide on the views of a few of us. Its your money and you must know where its going.

All the best with your projects guys.
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Does Thar come with a immobiliser? or?
No as of now.

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You will always have something or the other to do- why not add power steering, why not redo the wiring, why not upgrade the brakes and so on. And once you have test driven a Thar CRDe, you will never look back.
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My question is will the standard suspension & mechanicals ( Trany,brakes etc ) be able to handle the extra road Speed & power ?
Rajubhai, I have higlighted that also, see above post.

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How is thar in that department ? Could some guru throw light on it please?

Please test drive a used Thar CRDe.

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& older jeeps dosent have a immobilisers but i think Thar can be fitted with one. (which IMO dosent make a difference)
Why Nikhil, problem even with an Immobilizer?

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Why Nikhil, problem even with an Immobilizer?
please go trough following threads for answer.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...s-cracked.html (8 Scorpio mHawks stolen-immobilizer codes cracked!!!)

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...st-stolen.html (Attempted Theft of Scorpio (2nd one ALMOST stolen))

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/street...ero-theft.html (Story of Pajero Theft)
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I am aware of these^^, they are old cases. However, if it is happening now then it is a serious cause of concern and must be highlighted.

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Hell! The mahindra dealer does not have a Thar TD vehicle! I managed to convince the guy to give a TD in some other Thar which is available in the showroom

Going to take a TD in the afternoon
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So were you able to take a Test Drive of the THAR ?? Do post your impressions.




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did the test drive in a "new Thar"

well - i must say that i liked it, the moment you take it out - the interiors and anything else doest not matter and you start thinking - what kind of roll bars, soft top or hardtop, what kind of bull bars and halogns

does the seat come in leather options? where will i get leather seats ...

in short - everything else goes away - i am seriously thinking of buying one.

waiting for the a.c. verison - let us see how soon that happens. Till the time - i will save up for this

Incidently, after i returned from the test drive and was with my 5 yr old son - he suddenly says - "papa let us buy the mahindra waali gypsy"

i ask him - what does he mean and where has he seen it - he says the one with "parda" instead of body and he saw it in the showroom the last time we were there

I tell him, no a.c, no stereo - and he is still ok.
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did the test drive in a "new Thar"

well - i must say that i liked it, the moment you take it out - the interiors and anything else doest not matter and you start thinking - what kind of roll bars, soft top or hardtop, what kind of bull bars and halogns

does the seat come in leather options? where will i get leather seats ...

in short - everything else goes away - i am seriously thinking of buying one.

waiting for the a.c. verison - let us see how soon that happens. Till the time - i will save up for this

Incidently, after i returned from the test drive and was with my 5 yr old son - he suddenly says - "papa let us buy the mahindra waali gypsy"

i ask him - what does he mean and where has he seen it - he says the one with "parda" instead of body and he saw it in the showroom the last time we were there

I tell him, no a.c, no stereo - and he is still ok.


You seem to have got back with a very positive experience !! What do say to the ride quality vs the MM550 ? Is this the first Jeep you've driven or is it one of many ??

Your feedback would be appreciated !



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I would really caution you against going for a Jeep as there doesn't seem to be a pressing need to own one other than sentimental value. My impression of owning a Jeep is it's for a hardcore enthusiast who does not mind spending time with the vehicle to tweak and tune (rather fix too) it. Go for it if you are ready to spend long hours and many days in the workshop.

I was bitten by the Jeep bug myself, but have stayed clear of it so far, and haven't regretted the decision one bit. Yes, I too would love to own a Jeep, but I sure don't want to end up visiting the workshop in my car to see how the work on my Jeep is progressing.

So even though the heart is pressing its choice, listen to the mind.
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@spike - do you have some timelines on the improved Thar that you mentioned in your response?
Why do you ask me? I really do not know.

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did the test drive in a "new Thar"

well - i must say that i liked it, the moment you take it out - the interiors and anything else doest not matter and you start thinking - what kind of roll bars, soft top or hardtop, what kind of bull bars and halogns

does the seat come in leather options? where will i get leather seats ...

in short - everything else goes away - i am seriously thinking of buying one.
Well, I told you this earlier, see :-

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If you cannot wait, pick up a Thar CRDe, you won't be disappointed.
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. And once you have test driven a Thar CRDe, you will never look back. Take my word.
From the link to the other thread posted earlier, if you manage to get the cost of rebuilding a 550 with Scorpio aggregates, do share here. I tried several times without any success.

Meanwhile, read this thread too-

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...ml#post2313856 (Ahoy! There MM550 blows!)

and this too

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...ml#post2251267 (My MM550)

Both these are worth reading and contemplating regarding pros and cons, teaching "real world" experiences. Leave Maths and Physics for time being, sometimes common sense IMHO is more than sufficient. Remember, BLING (is not equal to) JEEP. Wish you good luck!

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HI Sach.Sri, while everyone is stuck on the breakdown if the costs of your project, the first question you should address is whether it is possible.

Well yes it is and a few people from our forum have already done it, successfully. Please go through this thread.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...red-mm550.html (Xtreme Power does a Scorpio Powered MM550)

Although you dont have to undertake the additional mods involved in this vehicle, you can get an idea.





Hi Vikrut, please also go through the above thread.
Whatever the swap costs you, trust me, it will be way below the Thar's price. Add to that the additional mods you would have to undertake on the Thar. You can do the math.

There wont be any reliability issues if the swap is done by a reputed person and there are many on this forum who will guide you towards such people, out of their own experiences.

I would say, if you're bent on spending your money for a Thar, then consider both options, see what mainly your use is going to be and then decide. Dot decide on the views of a few of us. Its your money and you must know where its going.

All the best with your projects guys.
The Thar is way out of my budget at 7Lakhs onroad in Mumbai. My use is limited to city driving & a long drive atleast every 2 months. I am not going to be a harcore offroader but the Jeep will see some soft offroading every few months. And would really prefer a mumbai registration (I drive a Maruti Van & the cops tend to stop me almost every week!) Please do let me know If you come across a well maintained 4x4 Jeep , I do love the Major CL550 .. been trying to find one ..without much success might I add.
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Why do you ask me? I really do not know.

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well - just asking if you have some information, nothing more than that

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You seem to have got back with a very positive experience !! What do say to the ride quality vs the MM550 ? Is this the first Jeep you've driven or is it one of many ??
ricky - i have not driven jeeps earlier, never had the chance. So i am not an expert on ride quality and stuff. What i did feel was that Thar has a good ride quality and this is what i have reported.
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