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Old 10th October 2011, 07:40   #1
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Default 1961 CJ 500 a.k.a High Roller

On the 20th of sep, me & my friend were driving in a customers Willy's, after driving it for a while he fell in love with the jeep & that's where this story begins... 23rd sep morning he calls me & as usual he drops by my garage telling me we need to search for a jeep as he is interested to pick one up immediately, after a few calls n checking out 2 jeeps we got to know there was a good condition CJ500 which was in our budget by 2 p.m we took off towards kanakpura road to check the jeep after driving it for a few min's we decided to close the deal, paid the token amount & off we were towards my garage... We took almost 2 hrs to reach from kanakpura road to HSR once we got back to the garage we asked my mech to check the vehicle & got to know the engine & GB was excellent but the body was a rust bucket, any which ways we were ready for that. What can you expect from a 61 model used by forest rangers, the next day being a Saturday & no much work happening on this day so we decided to chop all the un-necessary rods being welded inside to hold on to the soft top. Day 2 n the vehicle was looking like a jeep, as sunday was a holiday & no much work we decided to relax & monday morning we headed to J.C road to a friends shop & purchased 5 Gypsy rims & tires. Have attached a couple of pics the way how the vehicle was & is now....
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This could be a very good base car, hope to see it turn out into a great off roader and great looker.

BTW, what are those tyres? what specification? Looks neat.
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Can you please post pictures of the engine bay? Also who is your mechanic etc?
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Congratulations on your jeep.But it is not a CJ500 and definitely not 1961.Its a right hand drive with an extra long body.most probably 101 inches.From what is visible in the pictures the engine is a Perkin P4. CJ 500D came with the international diesel engine.This seems to be the ones mahindra made in 1983-85 for a short while.
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I love the tires. They change the whole appearance of the Jeep.

Please share the details.

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Congratulations on your jeep. Its a right hand drive with an extra long body, most probably 101 inches. From what is visible in the pictures the engine is a Perkin P4. CJ 500D came with the international diesel engine.This seems to be the ones mahindra made in 1983-85 for a short while.
Dear hpsaulakh - this is a CJ500D 91" wheel base 4 Wheel drive vehicle but with 51" wheel track, Iran type axle and Iran fuel tank below the body. 101" wheel base will have a 10" separate piece between the front and rear body panels. Perkins P4 engine is correct, it could also be Cooper MVC4 made in Satara, a copy of the Perkins. The original Perkins engine was painted in shining blue color, the MVC was shining black. Axle ratio will be 4.27:1. One of the front axle shafts is not there in the hub. Axle spike arrestor must be fitted and operational, otherwise the front axle will touch the engine sump under articulation of 99 mm. As such a vehicle always existed with 48" wheel track axle only and not with 51" Iran wheel track, (there was no engineering BOM, meaning Bill Of Material), this seems to be an outside job, or it can also be one of our ex R&D Kandivli vehicles, sold in auction. We used to make numerous non-standard prototypes for R&D piurpose, most of which did not make it to commercial production for various reasons. . Also, it can never be 1961 as 91" wheel base did not exist in 1961. The vertical dimension of the 1961 CJ3B was less than that of the CJ500D. This chassis front is classical CJ500D and not CJ3B. The body dash panel is post 1980. I worked on the taper panel design in 1981 as a junior engineer in Kandivli with metal finishers Mr.Shantaram and Mr.Raghunath, mentored by Mr.Winstod D'Souza who headed the body shop at that time. We made the dash panel of RHD vehicle common across engine options. Tubular side footstep was designed in 1983.

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This could be a very good base car, hope to see it turn out into a great off roader and great looker.

BTW, what are those tyres? what specification? Looks neat.

@ Bhandav the tires are Thailand make (Deestone) 31 10.5 15. AT.
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Congratulations on your jeep.But it is not a CJ500 and definitely not 1961.Its a right hand drive with an extra long body.most probably 101 inches.From what is visible in the pictures the engine is a Perkin P4. CJ 500D came with the international diesel engine.This seems to be the ones mahindra made in 1983-85 for a short while.

Well the confusion what i had is the same on the RC it says Willy's owned by the forest department registered in 1961, The engine is an International Harvester ones used in tractors.
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Dear hpsaulakh - this is a CJ500D 91" wheel base 4 Wheel drive vehicle but with 51" wheel track, Iran type axle and Iran fuel tank below the body. 101" wheel base will have a 10" separate piece between the front and rear body panels. Perkins P4 engine is correct, it could also be Cooper MVC4 made in Satara, a copy of the Perkins. The original Perkins engine was painted in shining blue color, the MVC was shining black. Axle ratio will be 4.27:1. One of the front axle shafts is not there in the hub. Axle spike arrestor must be fitted and operational, otherwise the front axle will touch the engine sump under articulation of 99 mm. As such a vehicle always existed with 48" wheel track axle only and not with 51" Iran wheel track, (there was no engineering BOM, meaning Bill Of Material), this seems to be an outside job, or it can also be one of our ex R&D Kandivli vehicles, sold in auction. We used to make numerous non-standard prototypes for R&D piurpose, most of which did not make it to commercial production for various reasons. . Also, it can never be 1961 as 91" wheel base did not exist in 1961. The vertical dimension of the 1961 CJ3B was less than that of the CJ500D. This chassis front is classical CJ500D and not CJ3B. The body dash panel is post 1980. I worked on the taper panel design in 1981 as a junior engineer in Kandivli with metal finishers Mr.Shantaram and Mr.Raghunath, mentored by Mr.Winstod D'Souza who headed the body shop at that time. We made the dash panel of RHD vehicle common across engine options. Tubular side footstep was designed in 1983.

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DB saab - Greetings! Good to see you active on this forum again! Very good information above. In all this where does "1961" fit in then?
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DB sir thanks for all the info.I thought that P4 or Cooper came in the 101" chassis.Wasnt this engine too heavy for a jeep,and what was the rationale of using it instead of the international engine. regards, @ Madpsyntist, DB sir has clarified everything.
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Well the confusion what i had is the same on the RC it says Willy's owned by the forest department registered in 1961, The engine is an International Harvester ones used in tractors.
Don't want to dishearten you, but it may be a case of 'Different paper - Different Jeep' which is very common. Verify Engine & chassis number mentioned in RC with Jeep to make sure everything is in order.

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Don't want to dishearten you, but it may be a case of 'Different paper - Different Jeep' which is very common. Verify Engine & chassis number mentioned in RC with Jeep to make sure everything is in order.

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Sorry for the late reply Shubendra sir, i got the documents 2 days ago n checked them the Chassis # & engine # match but the RC book states its a 1961 Willy's MB, Now i also have another doubt the reg num on the rc is what is on the vehicle now but the FC done is for a different registration & that clearly says 1983 i am confused here can any one help me out????
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Sorry for the late reply Shubendra sir, i got the documents 2 days ago n checked them the Chassis # & engine # match but the RC book states its a 1961 Willy's MB, Now i also have another doubt the reg num on the rc is what is on the vehicle now but the FC done is for a different registration & that clearly says 1983 i am confused here can any one help me out????
Something surely is amiss. What is the endorsement on the RC? Petrol? Diesel?

Diesel - then 1961 is in doubt.
Petrol - then a diff engine has been plonked and papers adjusted accordingly.

Sir - in no way trying to intimidate you. Just voicing opinion. Please get things verified before parting with all of the money agreed upon (that is if you still haven't)
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Something surely is amiss. What is the endorsement on the RC? Petrol? Diesel?

Diesel - then 1961 is in doubt.
Petrol - then a diff engine has been plonked and papers adjusted accordingly.

Sir - in no way trying to intimidate you. Just voicing opinion. Please get things verified before parting with all of the money agreed upon (that is if you still haven't)

Sir it says petrol, but the guy who sold me the vehicle he has endorsed the diesel engine. I am still waiting for a couple more documents from him once I get it I will have a clear pic, in the mean while could you please give me your e-mail id so I can send you a copy of the documents so you can clarify my doubts.
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