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Old 9th February 2012, 10:10   #16
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Thank you very much! Since you are from Mumbai, do you know who can do this swap job for me?
I think these can be easily fitted even at MASS. Any good mechanic should be able to remove the original leaves and fit the CFLs.
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They are now 14K.

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Ragul, please post the contact details of the supplier, do you know if he can also supply the PU bushes for the leaf spring.
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The reason for the hard suspension setup is because Gypsies were built for the defense application which at the same time was also available commercially (Although not readily available. 3 month waiting period min).

No matter whatever changes you do to the current leaf spring setup. You will not attain the soft ride setup like you find in other saloon cars or SUV`s. Removing a leaf / CFL setup, will not help you much. Trust me !

You need to let go of the complete system. You need to change it with Coil Spring setup. I own a gypsy and have taken it to Raid De Himalaya. There i have driven a friend's Gypsy which had Coil Spring setup, and the ride was butter smooth to say the least.

Heard of Iron Man in Banglore?

They do the Conversion. It is branded and professional work. Go for It.

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Ragul, please post the contact details of the supplier, do you know if he can also supply the PU bushes for the leaf spring.
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The reason for the hard suspension setup is because Gypsies were built for the defense application which at the same time was also available commercially (Although not readily available. 3 month waiting period min).

No matter whatever changes you do to the current leaf spring setup. You will not attain the soft ride setup like you find in other saloon cars or SUV`s. Removing a leaf / CFL setup, will not help you much. Trust me !

You need to let go of the complete system. You need to change it with Coil Spring setup. I own a gypsy and have taken it to Raid De Himalaya. There i have driven a friend's Gypsy which had Coil Spring setup, and the ride was butter smooth to say the least.

Heard of Iron Man in Banglore?

They do the Conversion. It is branded and professional work. Go for It.
Butter Smooth as in a sedan? and the costs please. Should be damn expensive. Even the Bilstein B6 shocks do a good job i heard (costs somewhere near 45k for a set of 4)

However do you think that getting coils springs retro fitted wont hamper the overall dynamics of the vehicle since you are extensively modifying the entire suspension system.
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Butter Smooth as in a sedan? and the costs please. Should be damn expensive. Even the Bilstein B6 shocks do a good job i heard (costs somewhere near 45k for a set of 4)

However do you think that getting coils springs retro fitted wont hamper the overall dynamics of the vehicle since you are extensively modifying the entire suspension system.
I don't know the technicalities of such a conversion. But, the car i drove was prepared for Xtreme (Now u know how they are prepared .... right !)by Red Rooster Racing and Suspension setup done by Mr. Vijay Parmar's garage at Motoworld, Simla.

Similar setup is done on many Xtreme prepared gypsies. Later i found out Iron Man Banglore does similar setup.
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I think these can be easily fitted even at MASS. Any good mechanic should be able to remove the original leaves and fit the CFLs.
Thanks, But where do i procure the CFL and PU bushes from, here in Mumbai?
I would prefer a one stop shop where I can get the items and also does the fitting/modifications etc.
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Thanks, But where do i procure the CFL and PU bushes from, here in Mumbai?
I would prefer a one stop shop where I can get the items and also does the fitting/modifications etc.
No thoughts on who can do both for you, i.e. Procurement and Fitting within Mumbai. I had spoken to Dr. Pawar last year and he said they would send the CFLs via courier to Mumbai from Kolhapur (they are based there).
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I don't know the technicalities of such a conversion. But, the car i drove was prepared for Xtreme (Now u know how they are prepared .... right !)by Red Rooster Racing and Suspension setup done by Mr. Vijay Parmar's garage at Motoworld, Simla.

Similar setup is done on many Xtreme prepared gypsies. Later i found out Iron Man Banglore does similar setup.

Thanks for the info Abbas, i'll be contacting Iron man to see the availabality & cost involved.
For the coil spring conversion i am considering another option too, i once found this suzuki sami with coil spring setup in Dubai and had a test ride too. The drive was as smooth & comfortable as a saloon car, not bumpy at all. Now i am searching for one such car in scrap yard so that i can do a complete swap of spare parts and can be sure about the reliablity.
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Coil Spring version Samurai:

I am eagerly following this post and you are pretty much living my dream Vincent. Hoping to follow in your footsteps in 2013. I am already half way there with the finances!

This is what Wikipedia has to say about a factory fitted coil spring set-up:

"Coilsprung version

The Samurai continued for sale outside the United States (where the newer version is referred to as the 'Coily'), with a substantial update in November 1995. This included a coil spring suspension, though the live axles were retained. The rest of the truck was redesigned as well, with new seats, dashboard, steering wheel, and doors joining a more "macho" exterior."

(Source: Suzuki Jimny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

So towards the end of the product life-cycle the samurai was upgraded with factory fitted coil springs. I am sure you wont have trouble finding one in dubai.

Just a note Vincent, do chose your suspension converter wisely, as even if there is a 1 mm difference in the left and right side suspension points, you are going to be stuck with crooked driving Gypsy for the rest of your life. You really need to find a specialist with special tools to accurately measure things (i.e laser pointers) other than a measuring tape.

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Thanks Amrishram, yes the coil spring converison is the last thing in our agenda and depends on the sparts availability and also finding a garage who can do it professionally.

The power steering installation is completed using only genuine suzuki parts, please find the pictures of the work in progress. In the begining MASS guys were not very confident about what will be the end result but as things progressed and with the final result after test drive they were wondering why maruti is not producing gypsy's with factory fitted power steering.

The installation was completed in less than a day, except for one complication we faced with the extra pulley used to take the drive for the steering pump. After the installation and a short test drive we noticed some unusual vibration on the steering pump drive belt and it is found that the pulley we used (this was an MGP item - crank pulley for maruti esteem with power steering) was cracked from inside. Later we solved this issue by using another single pulley which can accomodate two drive belts on it, instead of joining two different pulleys together.

Hercules Automobiles was kind enough to let three of their master technician working on our car at the same time for power steering installationGypsy King - Redefined-dscn4703.jpg

Both the manual & power steering boxes - Gypsy King - Redefined-dscn4706.jpg

Providing extra space near the RHS wheel arch to accomodate the size of new steering boxGypsy King - Redefined-dscn4710.jpgGypsy King - Redefined-dscn4711.jpg

New holes to be drilled onto chassis with extra reinforcement on the other side to mount the new steering box and its extra weight - Gypsy King - Redefined-dscn4723.jpgGypsy King - Redefined-dscn4724.jpgGypsy King - Redefined-dscn4726.jpg

Mounting steering pump is very easy as the engine block has the correct holes where the steering pump bracket can be bolted into - Gypsy King - Redefined-dscn4714.jpgGypsy King - Redefined-dscn4715.jpg

This is the pulley we used initially which was attached to the original crank pulley of the gypsy to take drive for the steering pump - Gypsy King - Redefined-dscn4717.jpg
Original Crank pulley -
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Finally all the components are in place, hydraulic lines connected, reservoir filled with powersteering fluid - Gypsy King - Redefined-dscn4731.jpgGypsy King - Redefined-dscn4727.jpgGypsy King - Redefined-dscn4721.jpgGypsy King - Redefined-dscn4722.jpgGypsy King - Redefined-dscn4719.jpgGypsy King - Redefined-dscn4728.jpgGypsy King - Redefined-dscn4730.jpg

Since all of us were anxious to see the end result, we did cranked the engine (ofocurse with an eye on temperature guage) also to bleed air inside the system, the result was exciting - all of us tried our hands on the steering wheel - it was feather light, power steering totally changed the way of driving gypsy.
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Adding to the above post here are the pictures for the 'double belt pulley' and the new 'steering shaft' with two universal joints at both the ends replacing the existing rag joint on the original steeering shaft of gypsy.

Steering shaft with two universal joint -
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New double belt crank pulley, the original pulley is also kept beside for comparison - Gypsy King - Redefined-a15112011245.jpgGypsy King - Redefined-a15112011246.jpg
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the 'double belt pulley' and the new 'steering shaft' with two universal joints at both the ends replacing the existing rag joint on the original steeering shaft of gypsy.

Steering shaft with two universal joint -
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Anil, What difference does these make
to the performance/feel of the gypsy?Just being curious, since I own a stock MG410 89-model and have plans to upgrade the same.

Anyways, your thread has been very informative and exciting to gypsy owner's like me, infact, I had read your earlier gypsy mod much before I got a team-BHP membership as a guest. About the suzuki vitara/jimmy pic you showed on your earlier post , was this at the international city in Dubai. Just being curious.
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Anil, What difference does these make
to the performance/feel of the gypsy?Just being curious, since I own a stock MG410 89-model and have plans to upgrade the same.

Anyways, your thread has been very informative and exciting to gypsy owner's like me, infact, I had read your earlier gypsy mod much before I got a team-BHP membership as a guest. About the suzuki vitara/jimmy pic you showed on your earlier post , was this at the international city in Dubai. Just being curious.
Thank you Veejay, the double belt crank pulley & the new steering shaft is used as a part of power steering installation. It make no noticable difference in perfomance but it make the power steering setup more reliable. The written off Jimny you saw in my earlier thread was in a salvage yard in sharja.

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After power steering installation next thing on agenda was to install the new seats, it required some modifications to the current seat mountings on the floor panel. So before proceeding with the paint job we are to get the proper mountings fabricated and seats installed on the floor panel. Here are the seats which we sourced -

Front seats -
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Rear seats -
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What vehicle seats are they?

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