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Old 18th April 2012, 06:32   #46
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Indica? Didn't you use Marshall's innards?
I think only the knob is indica's. Or i could be wrong. But i think it doesnt matter, right? The winding machine is from a MM MUV platform.

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One of the pics show the maruti 800 fan fixed on outside of the grill. Why don't you make a bracket and fix it on inside? Or is there no space inside the grill cause another fan is in place for the AC condensor?
There is already a fan between radiator and AC condensor but it was not enough. May be it was, but due to the old engine, overheating was seen, so went for this setup.

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I think you are talking about the pic which was taken during the installation. Armada grand has another grill outside this internal grill. See the pic in this page which shows Santosh's Armada in it's current avatar, with the fan covered by the external grill.
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Santosh , congrats on a good buy. Any particular reason other than tightness that you chucked the power windows for? I am thinking of going the other way on my jeep.
Thanks - reliability was the only reason. If I had the money I would have gone for a complete new PW setup, but not now. The existing motors were weak after 12 years! I would have loved to donate them to you but I dont have confidence in them myself. Gave it away to tinker asking him to sell it to any MM customer
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There is already a fan between radiator and AC condensor but it was not enough. May be it was, but due to the old engine, overheating was seen, so went for this setup.
Fan between Radiator and AC condensor?? That is a strange set up. Do you have any pics?
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Fan between Radiator and AC condensor?? That is a strange set up. Do you have any pics?
Now I am forced to rethink what I saw. Problem in a jeep is the radiator is too close to the grill and one can hardly see anything beyond it (between radiator and the condensor) and I think I saw a fan in that gap. I am sure there is none in front of the condensor - it is right behind the 7tooth grill. Let me check today evening and report back with a pic. Meanwhile, Sutripto, can you confirm whether or not a fan was there between Radiator-condensor in AG?
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Now I am forced to rethink what I saw. Problem in a jeep is the radiator is too close to the grill and one can hardly see anything beyond it (between radiator and the condensor) and I think I saw a fan in that gap. I am sure there is none in front of the condensor - it is right behind the 7tooth grill. Let me check today evening and report back with a pic. Meanwhile, Sutripto, can you confirm whether or not a fan was there between Radiator-condensor in AG?
Between Radiator and AC condenser coil theres an electric fan for grand/boleros which switch on when we on the fan switch and then comp knob.
You can stop the engine, on acc key,on the ac fan knob and slowly on the comp knob, u can hear the sound of fan working,if not check wiring and then the fan.
As uer grand is a decade old , u can hear shaking noise near the front grill when u close the big rear door forcefully.This is from the fan shaft movement, back & front. Remove & reset the unit with a proper washer.

I strongly recomend to service ac blower fan,condenser fan and check all relays/wiring harness from we cool for next trouble free decade.

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WOW - thats some experience there Rajith. Thanks a lot, i will check everything above ^ Except the AC part. Last owner spent a fortune on AC Overhaul and it works like a ice cube. It was a deciding factor on the deal.

Jaggu - so there you go, the fan in a strange place. I will get pics tomorrow, too dark now to take pics.
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It seems my mechanic had prayed to a rock that if his 1st child is a boy he will sacrifice some livestock and make curry out of it and feed a bunch of drunk people - to which I was game!!

Food is ready - thank you 3 Goats
Santosh,

That was some party, at an average of 1 goat for 10 persons, wish I was there too.

I wanted to go through in detail, on your Grand. It has been well maintained and is in stock condition. Having done a lakh plus kms and the body in this good condition in the Chennai weather means it has been looked after all through.

Its a nice idea to go for the manual shift on your BA 10. It is a beautiful GB, especially when you need that cruising.

Heating: I face this problem, inspite of a degassing tank..when I am doing continuous 80kmph (in the Lynx) on highways, the heat goes up to nearly 90. Since, I too have an XD3P which requires 8.5 liters of radiator liquid cooling and my radiator being smaller plus a liter in the degassing tank, it still heats at 3000rpm and above.

You could try out a used bigger radiator that comes in the army 550 and it may just solve your heating problem. I can't, due to the smaller grille face and a cramped engine bay.

Don't do much on this one as it is not your primary off roading weapon, just enjoy it and preserve it to be a classic, one day soon.

Wishing you a lakh and more safe miles.
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Meanwhile, Sutripto, can you confirm whether or not a fan was there between Radiator-condensor in AG?
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Between Radiator and AC condenser coil theres an electric fan for grand/boleros which switch on when we on the fan switch and then comp knob.
Now I'm confused! Pictures please.

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Dear Santosh,
If there is a fan behind the grill and in front of the AC condensor, then as rightly pointed out by Rajith, its for the AC condensor. Mind the curvature/bend of the fans wings. It is intended to suck air/wind from outside and blow it on the condensor. I have the same setup on my pickup. Pics-tomorrow as its too dark now.

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I too have an XD3P which requires 8.5 liters of radiator liquid cooling and my radiator being smaller plus a liter in the degassing tank, it still heats at 3000rpm and above
1) Sir, are you sure about the 8.5Ltr coolant fluid part, because I am not. Coolant flush is the last thing I need to do, ignoring it because after oil change, temp is not crossing half mark, dont want to waste money!

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Now I'm confused! Pictures please
Sir, Jaggu - It is next to impossible to take a pic of the fan between the radiator/condensor setup, but I can confirm it is present. Just not enough space to focus any camera into the gap!

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If there is a fan behind the grill and in front of the AC condensor, then as rightly pointed out by Rajith, its for the AC condensor. Mind the curvature/bend of the fans wings. It is intended to suck air/wind from outside and blow it on the condensor. I have the same setup on my pickup. Pics-tomorrow as its too dark now
You have AC on hariyali?

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Got the 1st detailed water wash done today after purchase. Got a chance to test the electric shift for sure, while wheels were 1 inch off the ground.

I can confirm the 4H works but sadly 4L is not working. When I engage 4L, the 4H is still engaged while electric motor fails to move to 4L (visually i could see no reduction in wheel rotation). But not to worry, I am no going no where near repairing this sad contraption!

PS - BorgWarner Electric 4x4 Gurus - I plan to dismantle the ENTIRE electric 4x4 KIT, what should I be looking for? Where can I find all that? Easy parts are the motor/wiring just outside the TCase, what about the rest, where can I find them? Where is the ECU behind the dash, i mean left side or right side? Is there some sensor to the clutch/accelarator pedal? And where does the BIG knob on dash lead to? Reason I want to take all the pain is to have a simple functional jeep and discard non working parts.

PPS - all the wiring (kilometers of it) for power windows and the 1-Sqfoot stupid looking fuse relay box inside the bonnet is coming off tommorow! Hope to save some 10 Kilos from GVW!!!
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1) Sir, are you sure about the 8.5Ltr coolant fluid part, because I am not. Coolant flush is the last thing I need to do, ignoring it because after oil change, temp is not crossing half mark, dont want to waste money!
Santosh,

Yes, it is 8.5L..also confirmed by Behram Sir.
Reason 550's radiator was upgraded in size.

Still I recomend cooland flush and change, it is not waste of money in the long run, just that your engine will run on new liquids which will translate into better performance and longer engine life.
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For a pickup, I recommend, using 3 part coolant and 1 part water.

Santosh,

This is the bracket, I mentioned, am trying to upload a video, so hopefully it is helpful. The kind of Gas to be used for older versions of AC is R12, not easily available. If you have time, theres a guy near Garuda mall who specialises in older AC fitments and gas charging etc.

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Sir, Jaggu - It is next to impossible to take a pic of the fan between the radiator/condensor setup, but I can confirm it is present. Just not enough space to focus any camera into the gap!
Guess its time to seek an appointment with an Alzheimer specialist!

Re. the manual 4x4 selector: Before fitting, pls. make a proper dimensioned drawing.

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got some fan pics at last! not the best ones but good to know!

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^ sutripto - the manual shifter is a well engineered part needing max 20mins time to just bolt on. spoke to a current owner of the part.

(below) - vinay - yes the fan works but the condensor from front was filled with dust and insects over the years, after a mild water jet spray now there is no overheating of the AG!

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got some fan pics at last! not the best ones but good to know!

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Did you check if this fan is working? If this fan is perfectly working, you may not have to use the third fan at all.
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Got a pic off the net - copyright respective owners. Now i sort of get a idea what to rip off the AG!

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