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Old 14th May 2013, 17:41   #31
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I am not sure if Tata would be able to pull that off. They are already in a mess themselves with their current product lineup. Trying to invest time, effort and money into bringing the Defender is going to be futile. I don't see a way in which they will be able to price the product anywhere less than 20Lakhs INR. For that money people do look for products other than the Land Rover.

For the record, the cheapest variant in the UK is over 21,000 pounds:

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JLR was thinking of moving production from UK to India, as the defender will anyways be phased out in the EU markets. If that happens, it makes sense to sell the vehicle in India. But then some companies make in India but do not sell here. For example, duster 4x4 is made in India but not sold here.
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Earlier it was reported that Discover will be made in India, if they win the Military order. Then read the news in TOI yesterday [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b.../20000259.cms] that Mahindra Scorpio and Tata Safari are in the race to replace Gypsi.. If Discovery is out or not considered for military order, probably strategy at TML might have changed. Also, it possible that this news is about replacing Gypsi, there could a different order for other operations and Disocovery could be still considered. But one thing for sure, if they get the Military order, Discovery will be assembled in India and can be exported to other countries where safety and emission rules are not so strict at a later time. This will be good for the Indian Economy.
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JLR was thinking of moving production from UK to India, .

this is likely to happen.
Expect two land rovers made in India may be before the end of 2015.
also expect the sumo and safari to be made on land rover platform.

i guess a price point for a safari based on land rover platform at 10Lak is a super juicy offer.
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The Indian Army boys want to live it up now ? Discos for the Army.
Why?
In many commonwealth countries, including the UK it is the COuntry Defender 110 or 130 or even some 90 units that are used for Army work.

In terms of price parity will the Disco meet the Scorpio price if it is designated as a officers carrier vehicle. Scorpio 4x4 SLE or VX models will just tip over 7 lakhs without taxes for the Army.

And what about the Disco's disrepute. Will it make it past Army's testing ? Diso 1 Disco 2, Disco with V8, Disco from South Africa with BMW 2800 cc engine all came and went in the same vain. It failed miserably in the Middle East market. Ask me the guy who ended up rescueing dozens of them.

They say in Saudi Arabia, if you find a 4WD in the middle of the road with its bonnet rate there is a 99.999 % chance it will be a Landrover Discovery !

It was sold for about 90,000 to 110,000 Saudi Rials, about the same price as a Landcruiser Prado GX and VX.

The USP for sales were the patriotic brits who chose it over the Prado and Pajero for two reasons - Be british buy british.

Second - It is the car provided by the petroleum company I work for who cares after three years I get a new car anyway.
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In terms of price parity will the Disco meet the Scorpio price if it is designated as a officers carrier vehicle. Scorpio 4x4 SLE or VX models will just tip over 7 lakhs without taxes for the Army.

And what about the Disco's disrepute. Will it make it past Army's testing ? Diso 1 Disco 2, Disco with V8, Disco from South Africa with BMW 2800 cc engine all came and went in the same vain. It failed miserably in the Middle East market. Ask me the guy who ended up rescueing dozens of them.

They say in Saudi Arabia, if you find a 4WD in the middle of the road with its bonnet rate there is a 99.999 % chance it will be a Landrover Discovery !

The USP for sales were the patriotic brits who chose it over the Prado and Pajero for two reasons - Be british buy british.
Dear Shahid

It is perhaps good that this forum does not have a Junaid Imdad (desertdude) equivalent who will probably come up with a hundred reasons as to why you are wrong, and debate this point with you till we all go blind with old age. Or the chaps from ME4x4 who cross the Empty Quarter in their souped-up Discovery/Defenders.

For every vehicle (like the Thar, for instance) that is hyped up in the market, there seems exist a bunch of champions who are blind to all its flaws, and a bunch of critics who choose only to see the flaws.

Those that have used various vehicles extensively - such as you - would know that every vehicle comes with its own strengths and weaknesses. And should normally know better than to launch into a harangue that is based exclusively on either. This is because the ones that do rave or rant are usually under the mistaken impression that the target audience is unaware about the vehicle being discussed and are exclusively dependent on the hot air they blow. This is fortunately not the reality in most cases.

Both extreme sides are right if the points they raise are taken in isolation. However, reality is that the ones who buy look at both sides of the argument and make up their minds on whether the pros outweigh the cons - for them as an individual. The fact that you choose to see only the negatives does not mean that a person who buys the vehicle is dumb - in reality, he has exhibited more intelligence by keeping his mind open. Or he may just be another dumb guy, only from the other camp.

The fact that a desertdude equivalent has not yet taken on a diametrically opposing stance does not necessarily mean that this is a good place to proselytise. It could also mean that people have seen enough of this nonsense to ignore such talk for what it is. It might therefore be a good idea not to try too hard to find out which of these two statements are right.

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I think this Safari and Scorpio for Army is some journalists imagination based on limited understanding.

Read the last line "In its tender floated for the procurement, the Army has stated that it wants general service vehicles weighing around 800 kg powered by a diesel engine, which should be Bharat Stage III and IV compliant."
This fits description of a Jeep or may be Gypsy with Diesel engine who knows Maruti responds to tendre with Gypsy with 1.3L Fiat engine.

Safari is around 1950KG in 2WD avatar and approx 100KG more in 4WD.
Scorpio is little lightweight at approx 1800 KG so they do not fit the above description even after extensive surgery.

For a 2 Tonne vehicle Tata had another vehicle which was reported to be under field trials by Army an year back

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Earlier it was reported that Discover will be made in India, if they win the Military order. Then read the news in TOI yesterday [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b.../20000259.cms] that Mahindra Scorpio and Tata Safari are in the race to replace Gypsi.. If Discovery is out or not considered for military order, probably strategy at TML might have changed. Also, it possible that this news is about replacing Gypsi, there could a different order for other operations and Disocovery could be still considered. But one thing for sure, if they get the Military order, Discovery will be assembled in India and can be exported to other countries where safety and emission rules are not so strict at a later time. This will be good for the Indian Economy.
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I think this Safari and Scorpio for Army is some journalists imagination based on limited understanding.

Read the last line "In its tender floated for the procurement, the Army has stated that it wants general service vehicles weighing around 800 kg powered by a diesel engine, which should be Bharat Stage III and IV compliant."
This fits description of a Jeep or may be Gypsy with Diesel engine who knows Maruti responds to tendre with Gypsy with 1.3L Fiat engine.

Safari is around 1950KG in 2WD avatar and approx 100KG more in 4WD.
Scorpio is little lightweight at approx 1800 KG so they do not fit the above description even after extensive surgery.

For a 2 Tonne vehicle Tata had another vehicle which was reported to be under field trials by Army an year back

Only guessing, the kg class is more like the Army is saying as


Gross vehicle weight -[minus]- kerb weight -- which translates to 500 kg for the Maruti Gyspies that the army is using.


As per the new tender of 800 kg -- they are looking for 800 kg as gross vehicle weight [minus] kerb weight.


As said guessing and definitely can be all wrong.

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As Khan mentioned i don't think the defender will be allowed under the current regulations we have. Mind you its a very basic vehicle and market will not pay anything more than 8-9 lakhs for a SWB one. The SWB is a great offroader, but not really what i would call refined or powerful. Honestly Thar would be faster off the mark and will have a higher top end whack compared to a defender.

There is a limited edition one that has come out and for now enjoy this

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As of date the Army here in the Mughal lines, Subrato park and Dwarka barracks is buying and driving on the road Scorpios ( Senior officers ) Boleros and even Sumos.
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The Defender at 16-17odd lacs would be a logical upgrade for a Thar user, however i doubt if the buyer for a Storme would be swayed by it due to the lack of creature comforts.
OT:- This would be an ideal vehicle for the Indian Army now that the Gypsy is no longer in contention.
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One potentially reliable market for Indian-built L-R Defenders would be the UK. There are a lot of farmers who are hanging on to their old ones - they are simple, tough and repairable.

Additionally there would be a sizeable market among younger, fashionable people for a very basic, honest 'classic' if the price were right.
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One potentially reliable market for Indian-built L-R Defenders would be the UK. There are a lot of farmers who are hanging on to their old ones - they are simple, tough and repairable.

Additionally there would be a sizeable market among younger, fashionable people for a very basic, honest 'classic' if the price were right.
Chandigarh to Chelsea Tractor then?
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The Defender at 16-17odd lacs would be a logical upgrade for a Thar user, however i doubt if the buyer for a Storme would be swayed by it due to the lack of creature comforts.
OT:- This would be an ideal vehicle for the Indian Army now that the Gypsy is no longer in contention.
At the moment, THAR DI with larger 16 inch wheels, sand gripper tyres and crawl ratio matched to MM550.
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Reposting the photo from the opening page.

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This is neither Poona nor Chakan but the UNHRC stockyard in the UAE.
A member of the 4x4 group had posted it on the group's Facebook page.
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