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Old 13th November 2013, 08:24   #31
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The little birdie has just confirmed that no upgrade or facelift of the gypsy is in the pipeline, atleast for the time being.
However, hope Thar enjoys its monopoly days as much as possible. Looks like all the old guys are resurecting those old ladies back to life.
Hope we do not see bell bottoms and step cutting hair style once again !!
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Old 13th November 2013, 09:11   #32
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The little birdie has just confirmed that no upgrade or facelift of the gypsy is in the pipeline, atleast for the time being.
You could have as well, picked up a bucket of Cold Water and splashed it on our respective devices!
It's very sad that the Gypsy doesn't get any focus from Maruti otherwise this one vehicle has the potential to redefine the lifestyle vehicles segment in India.
Sad, very sad!
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Old 13th November 2013, 11:34   #33
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If they have got to upgrade the Gypsy at any time in the future, I think it would be better for them to get rid of the Leaf Springs.

Because most of the gypsies that I see(and I see a lot, courtesy living next to a cantonment area) are used for ferrying the Officer's wives/daughters.
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Old 13th November 2013, 15:37   #34
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great news , if maruti comes with a renewed and repackaged gypsy with diesel power , nothing can stop it from becoming segment leader once again .
I m sure it would affect the sales of Thar , duster , and Eco sport as well.
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great news , if maruti comes with a renewed and repackaged gypsy with diesel power , nothing can stop it from becoming segment leader once again .
I m sure it would affect the sales of Thar , duster , and Eco sport as well.
Ive read somewhere that 'Maruti is readying a compact SUV to take on the ecosport and Duster. The Thar does enjoy a monopoly as its the only open top 4x4 with a great diesel engine. (Apart from the Force Gurkha). Most Thar owners buy it as a second car. The Gypsy even in its current petrol engined model is a great off roader and quite nice to drive too. Alas its not practical as an everyday / second car mainly due to poor fuel efficiency and lack of creature comforts. Even if Maruti re-introduces it with a diesel engine, it will at the most remain a niche vehicle. It makes sense to buy a used Gypsy and splurge on restoring and modifying it. Thats what I plan to do.
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There is no way the current Gypsy transmission - GB, Axles and Differential can take the torque of the 1.3L Diesel.

The 1.3L petrol engine has a peak torque of 103Nm at 4000 RPM
The 1.3L diesel has a peak torque of 190Nm at 2000 RPM

So the whole transmission has to be beefed up, that is redesigned if not currently available.

For those who are clamouring for the Jimny, it is also petrol 1.3L engine.

The only diesel 4x4 is the Grand Vitara with 1.9L DdiS engine. If they can start manufacturing this in India then we will have and alternative to the Scorpio and Safari.
http://www.globalsuzuki.com/automobi...tory/2005.html

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There is no way the current Gypsy transmission - GB, Axles and Differential can take the torque of the 1.3L Diesel.

The 1.3L petrol engine has a peak torque of 103Nm at 4000 RPM
The 1.3L diesel has a peak torque of 190Nm at 2000 RPM

So the whole transmission has to be beefed up, that is redesigned if not currently available.

For those who are clamouring for the Jimny, it is also petrol 1.3L engine.

The only diesel 4x4 is the Grand Vitara with 1.9L DdiS engine. If they can start manufacturing this in India then we will have and alternative to the Scorpio and Safari.
http://www.globalsuzuki.com/automobi...tory/2005.html
They would just replace the clutch/tranny with the ones that already are used with the diesel. This might strain the current divorced T-case and contribute to axle breakage and wrap up around the springs...but that can be addressed.
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They would just replace the clutch/tranny with the ones that already are used with the diesel. This might strain the current divorced T-case and contribute to axle breakage and wrap up around the springs...but that can be addressed.
I have seen a few modified diesel gypsies. They have toyota or isuzu diesel engines. But it seems after the conversion the 4x4 option cannot be used and the vehicle becomes a 2 wheel drive. It seems the engine cannot be mated to the curent gearbox. If maruti does manage to give give the gypsy a diesel engine and 4 wheel drive wont it have long term reliability issues?
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My 2 cents -

As per information from sources at MSIL , the Gypsy will not be upgraded . The last update was the Euro 4 one. There are no plans for the k Series or any diesel option .

The Thread opener should speak with a senior functionairy of the dealership which is claiming that a new version is bieng launched . Most Maruti dealerships in India have never sold a Gypsy and they assume that the new SUV / XA Alpha ? that will be launched is a successor to the Gypsy.
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Anyone who wants to read the summary of the discussion so far in Malayalam can do so at the below link:

http://www.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bi...entId=15458675

This is the online version of the auto magazine "Fast Track" published by Malayala Manorama.

Too much overlap between the content of the article and the discussion here to be a coincidence!

Even the Fabia article published in Manorama Fast Track is too similar in content to the corresponding thread in TBHP.

Looks like a rumor in TBHP will get an 'authentic source' if we discuss on it for a couple of weeks
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The Thar sells mainly because of its looks. These things are subjective but the Gypsy cannot match the Thar in that department. I wish they'd plonk one of the brilliant K-series engines from the Ritz or the Ertiga into the Gypsy. The current G series have to be choked too much to meet emissions norms. Those engines are fine for a people-carrier but not for a rally / offroad champion.

The blistering time set by Krishna Malvey in a Gypsy at the Gokak event showed everyone who's still the real king. ;-) so it is really stupid of Maruti to treat one of the world's best offroaders like a step-child.

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I have seen a few modified diesel gypsies. They have toyota or isuzu diesel engines. But it seems after the conversion the 4x4 option cannot be used and the vehicle becomes a 2 wheel drive. It seems the engine cannot be mated to the curent gearbox. If maruti does manage to give give the gypsy a diesel engine and 4 wheel drive wont it have long term reliability issues?
As for the issue of retaining 4wd, it depends what diesel engine is plonked into it. If done with some expertise, the 4wd is retained. We have a few threads on Gypsy diesel conversions on this site with 4wd retained.

In other countries, especially N. America, people buy diesels precisely because of their reliability and very long life. Often diesels are put into 4x4 SUVs and 4wd large pickup trucks. They routinely get 300,000k on an engine without issue, running like new. It's all about how an auto company chooses to perform.
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As for the issue of retaining 4wd, it depends what diesel engine is plonked into it. If done with some expertise, the 4wd is retained. We have a few threads on Gypsy diesel conversions on this site with 4wd retained.

In other countries, especially N. America, people buy diesels precisely because of their reliability and very long life. Often diesels are put into 4x4 SUVs and 4wd large pickup trucks. They routinely get 300,000k on an engine without issue, running like new. It's all about how an auto company chooses to perform.
Perfectly true. Many diesel cars like qualis , innova, mahindra jeeps are known to be extremely reliable and trouble free. In the case of fitting a diesel into an existing car not meant for taking a diesel, it all depends upon the company's engineering department. In that case marutis engineers are quite good. Remember the zen d? They had shoe horned the peugot tud5 beautifully into the zen. May be they ll do something similar with the gypsy too. Its worth waiting to see what happens rather than buying a new gyspy petrol this year.
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There is no way the current Gypsy transmission - GB, Axles and Differential can take the torque of the 1.3L Diesel.

The 1.3L petrol engine has a peak torque of 103Nm at 4000 RPM
The 1.3L diesel has a peak torque of 190Nm at 2000 RPM

So the whole transmission has to be beefed up, that is redesigned if not currently available.

For those who are clamouring for the Jimny, it is also petrol 1.3L engine.

The only diesel 4x4 is the Grand Vitara with 1.9L DdiS engine. If they can start manufacturing this in India then we will have and alternative to the Scorpio and Safari.
http://www.globalsuzuki.com/automobi...tory/2005.html
In the past, they did have a diesel Jimny with a 1.5 liter K9K motor. 1.3 MJD better for the Jimny as it already works with the rear wheel drive layout of the Premier Rio.

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In the past, they did have a diesel Jimny with a 1.5 liter K9K motor. 1.3 MJD better for the Jimny as it already works with the rear wheel drive layout of the Premier Rio.

Cheers,

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Could you post a link to the reference.

As far as I could find, there never was a production Jimny with diesel engine. The Spanish factory had tried, with a 47KW diesel but there is no news of it.
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