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Old 6th May 2017, 19:57   #196
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And, does anybody know what in blue blazes this rectangular cross piece is hanging between the two front wheels? (I think that's where it is.) It certainly looks to foul up the GC of the Gurkha. Can it be moved, refabricated a different way?
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ml#post4174910 (The 2017 Force Gurkha)
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Is there anyone out there who has some believable information, insider information, not guesswork or fond hope, about this rumoured engine update
for the Gurkha?

And, does anybody know what in blue blazes this rectangular cross piece is hanging between the two front wheels? (I think that's where it is.) It certainly looks to foul up the GC of the Gurkha. Can it be moved, refabricated a different way?
The diff guard/ skid plate is purposely designed to reduce the G.C. below 210mm. This may be to circumvent some kind of tax (just a guess). It can surely be removed & replaced with something that is already available in the aftermarket to restore the G.C.

Regarding inside info, i have a guy working in the design team of the new Gurkha based at Pithampur, M.P.

I have asked him several times regarding some inside info, but the guy wouldn't budge a inch. Only thing that he will ever admit is that more work is going on. He has never given any firm time frame but i have a feeling after talking to him that may be we will not have to wait from more than 2 months

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Is there anyway I can request force motors to sell me a gurkha explorer with the 5 cylinder TD 3250 engine ? Any connects or contacts would be appreciated.
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Is there anyway I can request force motors to sell me a gurkha explorer with the 5 cylinder TD 3250 engine ?
Not possible mate. Firstly, the TD3250 is most likely a BS-III engine, Force is down to the FM2.2 and the TD2750 CRD engine as their BSIV engine range.

Secondly any change to power train will require them to get re-certified from the ARAI CMVR etc, etc. Hence they will not go through that expense to grant your wish .

As emission norms get stricter and stricter, the days or old school big engines are gone. I am afraid that even the next generation Fortuners and Endeavours also will sport 2.0 liter engines 4 Cylinder Engines. I am just hoping they put the FM2.2 in the Explorer/Gurkha.

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Not possible mate. Firstly, the TD3250 is most likely a BS-III engine, Force is down to the FM2.2 and the TD2750 CRD engine as their BSIV engine range.
No they have a BS IV TD 3250 which comes in one of the Traveller school buses.

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No they have a BS IV TD 3250 which comes in one of the Traveller school buses.
I just checked FORCE Website. All Traveller BS4 engines are 4 Cyl 2.2L.
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I just checked FORCE Website. All Traveller BS4 engines are 4 Cyl 2.2L.
Site doesnt say so. But they are selling it. I have seen it at the local dealer. Its the modified version of the same engine which came on the Excel Truck earlier.
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Force do export a variant of the Gurkha to some countries with the TD3250FTI engine, but AFAIK it is a BS3 engine. This is a lightly armoured variant.
The same engine is used in Travellers as well, but again it is BS3.
I don't think the 3250 variant of the Gurkha has been through ARAI approvals, and hence it would be impossible for them to sell it in India. It's not impossible to do this after-market though. The mount points are the same, the gearbox housing is the same. There is space in the engine bay to take this block, although you will need to change the location of the Intercooler and AC Condensor, since the radiator will need to shift forward. These engines are available quite easily.
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Force do export a variant of the Gurkha to some countries with the TD3250FTI engine, but AFAIK it is a BS3 engine. This is a lightly armoured variant.
The same engine is used in Travellers as well, but again it is BS3.
I don't think the 3250 variant of the Gurkha has been through ARAI approvals, and hence it would be impossible for them to sell it in India. It's not impossible to do this after-market though. The mount points are the same, the gearbox housing is the same. There is space in the engine bay to take this block, although you will need to change the location of the Intercooler and AC Condensor, since the radiator will need to shift forward. These engines are available quite easily.
Roy you rightfully echo my idea of a perfect Gurkha. I had also enquired about this engine in the local scrap market but difficult in this part of the world. Please let me know if you know where and how much. Moreover I wanted this engine on the new Gurkha platform with c-in-c and coils around. And yes the travellers which I mentioned are all BS IV. Last week the dealer sold 2 of them as school buses and I visitsed during PDI.
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Roy you rightfully echo my idea of a perfect Gurkha. I had also enquired about this engine in the local scrap market but difficult in this part of the world. Please let me know if you know where and how much. Moreover I wanted this engine on the new Gurkha platform with c-in-c and coils around. And yes the travellers which I mentioned are all BS IV. Last week the dealer sold 2 of them as school buses and I visitsed during PDI.
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pic which depicts TD3250 BS IV.
Thanks! This engine looks substantially taller than the 3250FTI. I doubt this can go into the Gurkha at all.
The new Gurkha may have different mount points than the older one - I haven't checked. So, someone closer to the design will need to comment on the feasibility aspect.
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Thanks! This engine looks substantially taller than the 3250FTI. I doubt this can go into the Gurkha at all.
The new Gurkha may have different mount points than the older one - I haven't checked. So, someone closer to the design will need to comment on the feasibility aspect.
I think the turbo plumbing seems to enhance the overall height. Similarly no big deal with mounting points. But yes the available real estate within the confines of the engine bay would need to be looked at. Roy do you know where its available and cost ?
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I think the turbo plumbing seems to enhance the overall height. Similarly no big deal with mounting points. But yes the available real estate within the confines of the engine bay would need to be looked at. Roy do you know where its available and cost ?

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Thanks for sharing. But that is the cost of the turbo
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These engines are available quite easily.
Could you please let me know where these engines are available and how much do they cost ?
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