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Old 2nd June 2011, 23:05   #1276
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Sharath please dont complicate matter and go cutting and welding, buy the one that sits where the OE box is (rane box) and be with it. More than enough for a CJ and drives like a car. Try my jeep next time to understand more
I am just planning to go with this: Rane RCBT with Bell-Crank (Pre-NGCS Armada; before Jan 1998). This is a bolt-on if I am not mistaken.

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Would suggest move the last few posts to a new thread "MM Steering options" and then we can have Arka also list out any possible pros and cons of each of them? Also we seem to have some cost numbers across different threads which can be put there to ensure a "go-to" option for most people who evaluate steering mods.
Adi, if I start moving every few posts of similar interest to another thread, I won't be left with an ownership thread.

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Old 2nd June 2011, 23:08   #1277
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Jaggu, Do you mean like this? Did you too get this weld job done?

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Yup! This is the mod that Gopal did along with a clamp at the floor where the steering rod enters the tub. Made a hell lot of difference to the steering feel and killed the play, its zero now.
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"also it makes the more recent one fit/found on the pickups/OKBJ's/Later Armadas/marshals."

@Santosh, I believe OKBJ's are just ends of front differentials which has a yoke type of opening with knuckle joints connecting the shafts. Not sure whether Marshals came with OKBJ. IMHO, the Rane brand as in my case (Arka's photo no 4), came with Maxx Festiva,Festara and Maxx pikup, it continued with later day Commanders and comes in present day pikup truck versions. My double cab of 1999 model came with Excello steering as in picture no 1.
I still have it on my jeep, only the next upgrade is a hydraulic assisted power steering.
The unit in pic no 1 for a 540 cannot handle LP1109 a.k.a army disks and steering is wobbly despite checking/changing kingpin bearings and also going in for steering damper.Thats the reason for my upgrade.

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Hi Andy,

The main reason for wobble is the imbalance in the old army wheel disc aka LP1109. Please have them checked.

I was lucky to have them balanced by a master in the trade of tapping out imbalanced wheel discs without heating.

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I run 235/75/15 tyres on my CJ @ Grace, and dont have any issues so far, about 2000 kms till date. Only at parking speed its little heavy on the biceps. But then any non-power steering set-up would be. That is why is commented to Samurai for his "CJ340". More than enough, no need to over-engineer. Only mod is to remove that stupid L clamp and instead have a direct weld to chassis which can be bolted to the box.

Will take a snap and post later in the week. It make a big difference in the steering feel and holds the setting, without any tightening stuff.
Hi Jaggu,

How much have you used your JEEP? With either Tyre setup

How will changing the L-Clamp to a Chassis bracket improve things.

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Hi Jaggu,

How much have you used your JEEP? With either Tyre setup

How will changing the L-Clamp to a Chassis bracket improve things.

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About 500kms on NDMS and 1500 on Trepadors. Chassis brackets are more rigid and have lesser chance of coming loose unlike the L clamp thingie, which was a perinial problem with the new box also.
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About 500kms on NDMS and 1500 on Trepadors. Chassis brackets are more rigid and have lesser chance of coming loose unlike the L clamp thingie, which was a perinial problem with the new box also.
Hi Jaggu,

In my 6 & 1/2 years of owning a CJ3B, I have never had to tighten the L-Clamp, this is with out the UJ Setup.

In the First 2 years I covered 15K kms, with 8-10 OTRs.

On My MM540XD, I replaced the regular Steering Box (XLO) to Armada, with Idler Arm, even in that I never had to tighten the L-Clamp, that is about 30K Kms with 3 & 1/2 Years of OTRs.

The L-Clamp is the symptom, what is the problem?

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The L-Clamp is the symptom, what is the problem?

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Problem is steering becomes vague and wavery at high speeds. Even fully tight L clamp set up never gave the crisp feel the weld gives now. And this weld set up is not an innovation, i believe its that way in more modern jeeps than out CJ3B?
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Problem is steering becomes vague and wavery at high speeds.
You mean 80 kph..you are brave .....

BTW, the max speed was 50 mph for antiquated 3Bs. They are not designed to go over that.

Ofcourse, there are exceptions to the rule!
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You mean 80 kph..you are brave .....

BTW, the max speed was 50 mph for antiquated 3Bs. They are not designed to go over that.

Ofcourse, there are exceptions to the rule!
I am talking about 60 km/h and above though I do much higher speeds with the super low diff ratio with some howl.

It's not the speed rather how fast you reach, maintain and bring down that matters. If you ask me. Anyways pointless since this is just banter.
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Problem is steering becomes vague and wavery at high speeds. Even fully tight L clamp set up never gave the crisp feel the weld gives now. And this weld set up is not an innovation, i believe its that way in more modern jeeps than out CJ3B?
Hi Jaggu,

The L-Clamp is normally used with a rigid steering rod.

The Chassis bracket is used in JEEPs with UJ Type Steering Rod.

Any idea why?

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To allow for chassis flex?

BTW, why do I have L clamp with UJ steering rod?
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To allow for chassis flex?

BTW, why do I have L clamp with UJ steering rod?
Hi Sharath,

You are absolutely right

The Original CJ340 had a Rigid Steering. The Steering System was changed by Jammy.

IIRC some Early & Intermediate CLASSICs had the above combination.

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Yup i know the flex part and that is why i said weld it, i also have the UJ type steering rod in my 3B, Sharath also has the same iirc. Will the direct rod fit in the rane box? My old mech replaced it to UJ type coz of the fitment issue again iirc.
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...asks me to remove the solenoid switch using a 27 number spanner and connect it directly.
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If you remove the plunger and keep it and put the 27 mm cover only, the solenoid does not perform its intended function of stopping the fuel flow so you can merrily drive the vehicle even with a dead battery or in the worst case even without a battery. I recall that in the rotary FIP, there used to be a mechanical stop lever, which could be operated by a cable similar to the MDI engine. Just check if the lever is there. If yes, please attach a cable and use it to stop the engine and just knock the solenoid plunger off.
I had spoken to my mech who understood how to make it happen, my question is

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One ---> Which is the MECHANICAL Stop LEVER (1) or (2)
Two ---> Is the plunger below this 'A' (the top, where the current supplying wire to plunger, is visible).

------I am going to experiment this mod after returning back safe and sound after AKC/Examm.

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hi Samurai,

awesome thread - it is saved as favourites in my browser

one question - can you pls give more details on the "JCB lights". I wanted to check them out.
Where can i find them online - any part number of something like that. do the normal auto shops stock them, etc?
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