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Old 10th August 2008, 01:18   #1
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I was wondering is it possible to build a 4X4 from scratch. Like the way computers are assembled?
To start with get a chassis and source a good engine lets say m-hawk ,diffentials,suspensions... etc and plonk it on the chassis.

How good is taking major as a base and building up?

I would like all our 4X4 enthusiasts to help me with their knowledge....cause I am planning to make one soon! wish me luck!
any help will be truly appreciated and god willing we will see a new vehicle on team-bhp !
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Or how about ordering a Mahindra Scorpio chassis complete with motor and drive train and have somebody build you a jeep-like body, or something like a m37 weapon carrier?

Linkages could be a problem. Keep us..er...posted, 'ay?

I had some thoughts about ordering a Tata 4x4 407 chassis and building a body. Always stopped, there has to be an easier way.

If you build from scratch you run into the Indian bureaucracy about getting it certified and tested to be safe. That not so little problem has been kicked around on this site elsewhere. If you build on a complete chassis maybe not so much of a problem?

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I am no expert just a novice but alternatively think of buying a used or new 4X2 , Change gear box , transmission and diffrentials etc and building a 4x4

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I was wondering is it possible to build a 4X4 from scratch. Like the way computers are assembled?
To start with get a chassis and source a good engine lets say m-hawk ,diffentials,suspensions... etc and plonk it on the chassis.

How good is taking major as a base and building up?

I would like all our 4X4 enthusiasts to help me with their knowledge....cause I am planning to make one soon! wish me luck!
any help will be truly appreciated and god willing we will see a new vehicle on team-bhp !
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Old 10th August 2008, 15:17   #4
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Thumbs up You got me thinking

Dan,

Just what i had been thinking about for long (one of the many plans that i make and then destroy in my mind itself! )

Can we do something like this- Get a running chasis of a Tata Safari or a Scorpio and then mate it with some older (looking) jeep body, like that of a Mahindra Utility (the double cab version)? Will make for a killer ride in my sense - smooth engine and transmission, GREAT suspension and retro Looks!

Something like a sleeper jeep!

What say guys? Is something like this possible?

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Customizing of jeeps according to your own tastes is getting more and more common in India. It sure needs a lot of courage, knowledge, and ofcourse the most important Vitamin M. Whatever you do, do post pictures .
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Do we have option to order the scorpio chassis ?
why not start with normal old chassis and reconditioning them ? then still does it need to do for legal formalities.

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Customizing of jeeps according to your own tastes is getting more and more common in India. It sure needs a lot of courage, knowledge, and ofcourse the most important Vitamin M. Whatever you do, do post pictures .
Time too !!

Sen anna, but with great levels of enthusiasm it might be possible !
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Old 10th August 2008, 18:19   #7
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Do we have option to order the scorpio chassis ?
Dunno. One thing for sure, it will be a month before any inquiry put to Mahindra would be answered accurately, the blithering dolts.
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Hey all you guys, Why has this thread died out so soon. Freshers like us need the pros to help us with this kind of stuff.
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hi Ankur,
the simplest way is, buy a used scorpio/safari & build a body on it.
because they have front IFS, it will be difficult to source parts & reliability will be an issue too. (& you will definitely end up spending 5L+)

best way will be Thar crde + HT + AC.
its got
  • IFS
  • 4x4
  • New Generation Chassis & Suspension
  • CRDE engine
  • New Generation Transmission
  • jeep look
  • & its brand new
or
buy used MAJOR/MARSHAL/ARMADA/BOLERO 4x2 as base vehicle.
  • New Generation Chassis & Suspension
  • Full Floating Rear Axle
  • Manual Re-Circulating Ball Type steering
  • already registered at RTO
only thing is they are LWB except major, which is MWB. (IMO LWB is a advantage )

just buy a transfer case & front axle (OKBJ) & you are done.
in second stage add Engine-Gearbox combo & body as per your liking.
that's what i am doing.
rgds,
Nikhil

Please go through following threads.
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-te...ffroading.html (Is Independent Front Suspension (IFS) good for offroading?)

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-te...orpio-2wd.html (Can the Thar's 4wd be fitted onto the Scorpio 2wd?)

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-te...bos-jeeps.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-te...fer-cases.html (Mahindra Transfer Cases)

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-te...n-project.html (Bolero SLX 4x4 conversion project)

@ DD: no one is permitted to use any vehicle on road until its registered.

@ Amit: i agree with you.

@ Jaspreet: any thing is possible in India.

@ rranjith_kum: yes you can buy any chassis but at a price. (AFAIK 70k+)

@ Salil: i know your reasons.

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Old 15th March 2011, 02:13   #10
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Dude computers do not need registration but vehicles do and moreover its an expensive move. Buy a vehicle of your choice and start building it as you said Major would be your liking then start on it. You have lot of options in terms of engine like Toyota, Isuzu etc

Why not buy a Scorpio and get it modified to your requirements, there is this Scorpio modified and it moves like a tank, boy awesome it looks and dont know about its off roading capabilities but it has one of a kind wheel base and owner claims he imported these humunges tyres from U.S. Neat and unique SUV in the town. I liked it.
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Old 15th March 2011, 10:09   #11
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Guys, I am starting my new project soon, for which I am looking for an old Tata Safari 4wd. An older model (1998) is also fine as all I need is the Chassis and suspension along with the differentials. A total loss Safari 4Wd with its chassis intact will also do! Any help will be appreciated.
Am located in South Tamil Nadu.
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best way will be Thar crde + HT + AC.

its got
  • IFS
  • 4x4
  • New Generation Chassis & Suspension
  • CRDE engine
  • New Generation Transmission
  • jeep look
  • & its brand new
or
buy used MAJOR/MARSHAL/ARMADA/BOLERO 4x2 as base vehicle.
  • New Generation Chassis & Suspension
  • Full Floating Rear Axle
  • Manual Re-Circulating Ball Type steering
  • already registered at RTO
only thing is they are LWB except major, which is MWB. (IMO LWB is a advantage )
just buy a transfer case & front axle (OKBJ) & you are done.
in second stage add Engine-Gearbox combo & body as per your liking.
that's what i am doing.

rgds,
Nikhil
@ Salil: i know your reasons.
Dear Nikhil,
TWO THINGS:
1. I am going to be glued to your restoration thread.
2. You are going to be my consultant when I go in for a 4x4.
Sorry am crossing 2..
3. After your vehicle is done, please give me your address, so I may...
4. You can expect me calling and troubling you for clarifications from now on.

regards
salil

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Guys, I am starting my new project soon, for which I am looking for an old Tata Safari 4wd. An older model (1998) is also fine as all I need is the Chassis and suspension along with the differentials. A total loss Safari 4Wd with its chassis intact will also do! Any help will be appreciated.
Am located in South Tamil Nadu.
@jyobeb - Can you let me know what plans you are having? Actually, I have a Sierra which I need to convert to a 4X4. Everyone here has advised against it. But the old gen Safari and Sierra shared the same Engine+GB+TC combo as well as the front axels (I guess). So retrofitting parts may not be an issue. Finding them is a big problem.

Please let me know what your plans are with the Safari chassis and suspension.
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Old 17th March 2011, 18:39   #14
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Nikhil,
Have just about Kind of finished going through the links you suggested and am absolutely goggle eyed. If you expect me to understand better better start your Armada Restoration thread and send me the link so that I can follow t hings better.
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TWO THINGS:
1. I am going to be glued to your restoration thread.
2. You are going to be my consultant when I go in for a 4x4.
Sorry am crossing 2..
3. After your vehicle is done, please give me your address, so I may...
4. You can expect me calling and troubling you for clarifications from now on.
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If you expect me to understand better better start your Armada Restoration thread and send me the link so that I can follow t hings better.
lets meet in pune salil.
i will be there for the paper work of armada.
say after holi next week.
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Actually, I have a Sierra which I need to convert to a 4X4. Everyone here has advised against it. But the old gen Safari and Sierra shared the same Engine+GB+TC combo as well as the front axels (I guess). So retrofitting parts may not be an issue. Finding them is a big problem.
Kaustubh, basically he is planning to put a jeep body on existing 4x4 scorpio/safari chassis.

he is not converting 4x2 one in 4x4.
it can be done but it will not be reliable.

rgds,
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