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Old 12th January 2010, 18:41   #361
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All,
How about a list of essential accessories for your Thar.
To start off the list -
1. Freewheeling hubs - "a must have"

Doesn't all New generation Mahindra 4WD vehicles come with the Freewheeling/Autolocking hubs? (i mean the scorpios and the export boleros, and not the regular DI engine vehicles like Bolero LX and Pick ups)
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"pind aje waseya nahi, mangte pehle aa gaye"

All the threads on thar are worthless without a proper launch schedule & expected price range.

I go with what ARKA says, MM knew what they were giving, threads here were to gain popularity & gauge market response.

MM should have discussed Thar on some
of their own platforms. Taking gullable offroaders for a ride is not a good thing.
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Arka, we forgive your youth and inexperience. Obviously the Lockers or LSD that so many requested are not BS4 compliant. That MUST be the answer.

If you believe that, I have a used auto-rickshaw that I would like to sell you.
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But none of the jeeps on there are stock anyways.
Infact most of the OTR vehicles are stock sir!

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A JEEP has to be built for Offroads not bought for Offroads
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My personal dislike in the THAR is it is no more a Simple JEEP, now its a complicated Sedan with a 4X4. I still believe it will do its job and be ON-PAR with a JEEP, albeit with a bigger post-OTR bill.
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Has any Scorpio 4x4 participated/completed TPC? Do you personally feel Thar will fare better or On Par with a real Jeep?

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Even if you buy a stock gyspy, for serious offroad fun, you will eventually need to invest in a crawler kit at the least.
Now, what is "Serious Offroad Fun" seems to be an oxymoron

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My question to Mr. Behram and the rest of the off-road seniors:

Wouldn't the rampover angle of 15 degrees be a hindrance while off-road? Especially with an approach angle of 46 deg and a departure angle of 30.

It depends on the kind of obstacle one would want to conquer my friend!
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The wishlist thread had and has one almost universal feature demand, that of LSD at least. Of course since MM does not provide LSD any vehicle, most probably you and team also did not have access to the same. Also is disappointed somewhat about no gas shock absorbers. Also are disc brakes with booster? If you can even now, please at least do incorporate these!
Dear ADC- can you please tell me the reason, why do you need gas shock absorbers for THAR also most vehicles today, and all from M&M platform i suppose use discs at the front as it is imperative for CMVR. please correct me if i am wrong.

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Spike,
That was one hell of an explanation!!!
I have saved it for fine tuned reference later.
Many of us are only scratching the surface when it comes to weights mentioned in your post.
Thanks,
Fazal Bhai- thanks a lot, the more you share the more you learn,

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Ramp over unlike approach and departure lesser is better if am not mistaken.

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Ramp angle
A measure of vehicle under-belly clearance or the ability to drive over a sharp ridge or ramp without touching the underside of the vehicle on the obstacle. The ramp angle is the angle measured from the lowest part of the chassis at mid-wheelbase down to the periphery of front and rear wheels. Obviously a short wheelbase vehicle with large wheels will have the smallest ramp angle and best under-belly clearance.
Automotive Dictionary - "RA"

EDIT: Lesser is NOT better, but depending on the wheel base rather

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Jaggu,

Damn! You beat me to this, I was just about to post the same picture.

I have a doubt on the 15 deg claim.
Tata Xenon claims a 15deg rampover angle with 3150mm wheelbase and 200mm ground clearance. And Thar claims a 15deg rampover with 2430mm wheelbase and 200mm ground clearance.

Shouldnt Thar's rampover angle be higher?

Edit: or maybe lower and better as per Jaggu's post.

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OT:

There was a *Mighty Muscular* Scorpio that took part in the Road & Track Munnar OTR. I talked to one of the organisers and he said that the Scorpio was able to keep up with the jeeps. Similar to the Bangalore jeeps the Bumper was removed and it was shod with Mudzilla tires.

Pics at: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ex...th-13th-5.html (R&T Extreme 4x4 - Dec 12th -13th)
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ADC, all Mahindra Jeeps in the last few years come with disc brakes. Also, you can't have disc brakes without booster, unless you can stamp your foot like an elephant.

Rehaan's Scorpio with mudzillas could pretty much do anything in all the Karnataka OTRs, as long the automatic 4x4 kept working. Thar should do better.

Let's not worry about the rampover angle yet, I think it is a case of wrong data. My CJ340 has 33 degree rampover angle.

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Actually this was discussed earlier i guess http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ver-angle.html (What is "Ramp Breakover Angle")

Anyways by the calculator i used it says close to 19 deg which might be theoretical (thar) and since in real life there is something protruding more than actual ground clearance at the center the angle is 15?

Where as the same calculator showed 15 for the Xenon, maybe it doesnt have anything hanging, maybe it has tall tires?

Calculator here

EDIT: 33deg for CJ

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....Tata Xenon ... 200mm ground clearance...Thar .. 200mm ground clearance..
The 200mm GC mentioned is that of the diff housing (and hence not related to the ramp breakover), and not the horizontal pink line in the above figure.
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Jaggu,

I thought the angle would be lesser on a SWB and was surprised too see 19 on the calculator. I looked at the pics posted on page 2 and nothing seems to be lower than a Xenon. Ofcourse thats only a visual measurement and not actuals.

I am confused now - Is lesser the better?
Edit: Thanks BT, now there goes another question - what is the actual ground clearance on the Thar.

Edit2: OT, 200mm on Xenon is actually on the horizontal pink line.
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Don't be in a hurry to write it off so soon You never know she may just surprise you all !!
Just from exprience from owning both setups for alot of years nothing else.

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Ok i get the message.

But none of the jeeps on there are stock anyways.

Are we saying the Thar is not even a good platform to build upon?
No one is saying that, it just that unless M&M can give an option list [please check my list for some of them] that vehicle will get to most of the places on shear power and torque. but some situation the vehicle will need the addition of stuff, which is available for the 540/550 and gypsi.

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This statement is disputable. How can you say Gypsy can't take as much abuse as Major? The fact is Majors are rarely seen in OTRs.

Regarding Thar, we can't make any statements yet. Behram says it outdoes any Indian offroad machine. He knows Thar inside out and has more offroad experience than most of us. He was offroading when MGE was a real 4x4 event. The MGE went soft 2006 onwards.

So let's have some faith in our man and take his word for now. Gurkha has IFS, yet seems to do well.
I do trust the MAN, but looking at the specs, it's made for people who need a all round vehicle [like me] not an all out off roader like most thought.Than again the older M&M vehicle were great except for the low power engines.
The Gurkha comes with factory fitted equipment which is not in the spec sheet for the THAR.You know what I mean. Which M&M need to provide at least as option.
OK we should wait for the THAR to be launched and test it first.
SO WHEN DO WE HAVE THE HONOR OF DOING THIS SIR. Hope we bhpian have the first go at it.
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I am confused now - Is lesser the better?
No, lesser is not good. But to have a bigger reading, one will need to upsize the tire/increase suspension height for more ground clearance or shorter wheelbase.

@Experts: 20 plus is considered very good for 4x4's?
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My CJ340 has 33 degree rampover angle.
Dear Sharath,
Did you mean 23 here? For a 80" WB, to have a 33 degree rampover, the GC should be in the range of 280mm, isn't it? Does CJ have such a high GC or is it only with your vehicle?
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