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Old 5th May 2010, 13:29   #241
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Maybe if you add an extra leaf in the front, it will help a bit..
Right?!
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But will adding of extra Leaf or increasing the leaf thickness result in a stiffer and more bumpy ride? sorry for stupid Qs.
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In that case Khan, how can we reinforce the front leafs since the car does take a beating at every OTR. You must have definitely done something about it. Can we add add thicker leafs, will that affect the handling in any way?
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Maybe if you add an extra leaf in the front, it will help a bit..
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Yes, that's one option. Lots of folks in Bangalore have 1 extra leaf in the front. Another option is to use the longer springs from the rear upfront.. but then that has quite a bit of fabrication involved..
Here is what I am doing in my Gypsy for the front:
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-te...ification.html (Gypsy on Steroids: Rear Up Front (RUF) Suspension modification)

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But will adding of extra Leaf or increasing the leaf thickness result in a stiffer and more bumpy ride? sorry for stupid Qs.
Yes, it does lead to bumpy ride. But then you would prefer a bumpy ride over broken leaf in an OTR. Right?
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Hmmm..
Btw, if you add an extra pair in the front, then you're changing the front:back weight distribution - could this translate to loss of traction for the front wheels (while steering) at higher speeds , on a straight road?

Or is the difference negligible?
I'm sure the extra pair at the back will do 'wonders' for the ride, and our backs!
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Ok so Sai Svc is not supporting my warranty claim because they claim that the suspension was damaged due to off-road use and the warranty only covers on-road use. Time to ring Mukesh Kalmadi...

My advice to anyone planning to buy a new vehicle and take it off-road - DON'T - it is not worth the premium. Buy a banger and then you won't have to deal with this.
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So GS, dont tell me that you are going to keep your 'Geoff' ON ROAD.
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So GS, dont tell me that you are going to keep your 'Geoff' ON ROAD.
The thought never crossed my mind!

Getting it sorted outside MASS for far less money and time today. Adding an extra leaf up front and awaiting information about the next OTR.


Raj - you HAVE to start attending OTRs dude...
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Ok so Sai Svc is not supporting my warranty claim because they claim that the suspension was damaged due to off-road use and the warranty only covers on-road use. Time to ring Mukesh Kalmadi...

My advice to anyone planning to buy a new vehicle and take it off-road - DON'T - it is not worth the premium. Buy a banger and then you won't have to deal with this.
Dude, my advice to you is never to discuss your offroad escapades with the Service guys. It will only help them to find an excuse to not honor your warranty.
The best thing to tell them is about your trip to a farmhouse.

Besides, im sure it does'nt state anywhere that a 4wd is not for offroad use. Infact using the 4wd onroad will destroy your differentials. So, ask them where should you use 4x4 if not off road ?

My basic experience of using different vehicles(custom offroad and 4x4 suv's) over the years for offroad use in India and elsewhere leads me to believe that, however well your vehicle may be built, it will suffer damage if used harshly in harsh terrain.

While I am not qualified to instruct, I have noticed on many OTR's, folks get carried away with enthusiasm and group pressure to try stuff or do stuff in a way that will most definitely cause some damage. Without restricting the fun, a balance ought to be sought inorder to do as less/no damage to your vehicle. And that is purely ones personal call. With the experience piling on, one will be able to perform the same obstacle more efficiently.

But again, on an OTR nothing can be predicted. You probable benifit of taking a new vehicle on an OTR is lesser scope of mechanical failures or brakedowns compared to a 15yr old example.

Cheers,

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BTW; whens the next otr.. Pm me if something coming up in the next 3 weekends.

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Dude, my advice to you is never to discuss your offroad escapades with the Service guys. It will only help them to find an excuse to not honor your warranty.
The best thing to tell them is about your trip to a farmhouse.
I completely agree with you. Infact i was just going to say the same thing.

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My advice to anyone planning to buy a new vehicle and take it off-road - DON'T - it is not worth the premium. Buy a banger and then you won't have to deal with this.
This i don't agree. Yes, during an OTR damages will happen, but you are still mechanically more sound than the others and will definitely have lesser garage trips.
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Ok guys...

So they've sorted out the gearbox issue under warranty - yay! Replaced the clutch fork and plates as a precaution.

They have also decided to replace the front leafs both R and L side. This is not under warranty but the parts cost is only Rs.1000. They are giving me a labour estimate in the morning.

I should be up and running by tomorrow EoD. Will add an extra leaf to the front outside MASS because they aren't ready to do any modifications.
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They have also decided to replace the front leafs both R and L side. ...

.... Will add an extra leaf to the front outside MASS because they aren't ready to do any modifications.
Use the bottom leaf from the existing leaf, shorten it (if required) and add it to the bottom of the new set of leafs.
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Gypsy is ready. They have fixed the FR and FL leafsprings and aligned the suspension assy. I also had them do a wheel alignment and check all wheels for the balancing weights. Weights were missing from FL, FR and RL wheels!!! Got the balancing done as well.

Total cost to me - Rs.1800.00

Pretty happy that it didn't go beyond 2k for what I believe is a service schedule I look to repeat after every 2-3 OTRs.

Guys - check your wheel weights because they get knocked out during OTRs and can ruin the whole driving experience once you get back on the road.

Missed a night OTR :( terribly disappointed...but I'm rearing to go for the next one! Bring on the rains.
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GSF > Do you find any real noticable difference in your gypsy's handling pre and post wheel balancing..?

Why I ask is that ive noticed that many times we do wheel balancing with absolutely no noticable difference in the handling, unless you have a wobbly steering issue, etc.
But otherwise I think wheel balancing is a mini scam.
At 43+k kms my Safari has seen a lot more wheel bashing off and on the road than your relatively new gypsy. Till date ive done 3 wheel alignments and NO balancing since it came from the factory. Ive not felt any difference in handling at high speeds on the highways, nor have I faced any issues of uneven tire wear.
Everytime I went for wheel alignment they did try their level best to get me to do wheel balancing too, to which i have always politely refused.
Now I shall be doing wheel balancing for the first time on Tue when my Safari gets a new set of shoes.

SO I come to my point again ; How does one decide that the wheels require balancing ?
If the old weights fell off and I still dont have any tire wear issues nor handling issues then why bother balancing the wheels ?

Edit; Because if your wheel balance is really out, then you will definitely feel it through your suspension and /or steering wobble. Thats what my reasoning says. Might be wrong, but I look forward to more views on the same.

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@Jay - wheel balancing makes a lot of sense especially at high speeds as it puts less stress on critical bearings/joints and makes for a smoother ride. On my MT01 I noticed the difference in handling when one of the weights fell off and the vibes became noticeable. The Gypsy ride is pretty bumpy anyway so it is possible to dismiss unusual vibes.

Post alignment and balancing AND the repair work, the vehicle is a dream to drive. The steering suddenly feels so much freer than it ever did in the past.

Also found that my bill was Rs.1040 all inclusive. This is parts, labor and wheel balancing/alignment all done.

Work carried out:
1. Tightening of all fasteners
2. Front Left leaf spring replacement
3. Clutch pressure plates and release bearing replacement
4. Lubrication of doors/joints and leaf springs
5. Wheel balancing and alignment (only FL and FR balancing was required)


Not bad at all!!!
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Work carried out:
3. Clutch pressure plates and release bearing replacement
Not bad at all!!!
Are you sure your pressure plates and release bearing were replaced during the service, if yes then how come it costs only Rs 1040?

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