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Old 17th May 2010, 12:39   #286
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I meant, saved my pocket also maybe the ribs and head since the CJ3B doesn't have a seat belt lol The iKON already had a bashed up boot lid and bumper, i would have ended up paying for the whole replacement grrrrrrr
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Those tyres are the *worst* for tarmac driving...have had so many slips and slides because of them...

Start saving to the tune of 30k. Alternatively, try and get used radial tyres from a friend and plonk them on for city driving.
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Those tyres are the *worst* for tarmac driving...have had so many slips and slides because of them...

Start saving to the tune of 30k. Alternatively, try and get used radial tyres from a friend and plonk them on for city driving.
LOL i drive much safer compared to you, reckless redliner

No da i don't want to get into second hand stuff now, i can be careful and continue with the NDMS till i find a suitable options and funding for the upgrade. But seriously, i always felt more confident with these on the heavier diesel engines, maybe coz of better engine braking but in petrol its too deadly
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But seriously, i always felt more confident with these on the heavier diesel engines, maybe coz of better engine braking but in petrol its too deadly
Your petrol hurricane has much better engine braking than Peugeot diesel engines.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-t...e-braking.html
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ehm am talking about 3rd (top) gear in H and at 40 kmph. The old peugeot with 3 speeds just lifting off will give you a whiplash
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That was the NDMS on a dry road. Now repeat it on a wet road. I think I mentioned in some post the these will skid if someone spits on the road.

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That was the NDMS on a dry road. Now repeat it on a wet road. I think I mentioned in some post the these will skid if someone spits on the road.

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LOL i know, i very well recollect going sideways near Manjeri (Kerala) with a full load in a old LHD Willy with Peugeot engine and the roads were not even smooth as the BLR roads.

I really am not a fan of NDMS for OTR's also. In soft mud as well as sand they just have their own mind, tires have evolved so should we. Just my 2 pence worth.
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I really am not a fan of NDMS for OTR's also. In soft mud as well as sand they just have their own mind, tires have evolved so should we. Just my 2 pence worth.
Jaggu, run for Cover!!!

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NDMS is the vacuum tube technology of tyres, it is time to move on. Modern AT/MT tyres do better than NDMS on any surface. And I ain't running anywhere.
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LOL i know, i very well recollect going sideways near Manjeri (Kerala) with a full load in a old LHD Willy with Peugeot engine and the roads were not even smooth as the BLR roads.

I really am not a fan of NDMS for OTR's also. In soft mud as well as sand they just have their own mind, tires have evolved so should we. Just my 2 pence worth.
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Dear Jaggu Please stick to OEM style tyre, and do not make any aggregate tyre swaps, any one can say anything.

1) if you want to keep the OEM rims
i) 7.00X16 NDMS (SuperKing)
ii) 6.00X16 Big-Rover (MRF)

2) If you want to use 15" Rims (FC Van & CJ340DP4WD)
i) Maxxis Trepador 235-75-15
ii) Maxxis Trepador 235-75-15

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NDMS is the vacuum tube technology of tyres, it is time to move on. Modern AT/MT tyres do better than NDMS on any surface. And I ain't running anywhere.
Hi Sharath,

NDMS is much better than any AT off-road.

wrt to MT's it depends on size, and there again NDMS scores.

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PS - You are right about the running part, you need NDMS for that.

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LOL you two didn't find any other place to start a war?! But yes why should anyone run away from stating the facts?

NDMS = VFM OTR tires! which can "manage" situations. Nothing more than VFM or the lack of money, at this point of time, that will interest me on these.

They are NOT the best or the right choice, if we are concerned about safety or OTR performance. And i don't need to be an expert or guru to say this, just needs some decent eye sight, few kms of driving and common "science" knowledge.

Most of the hardcore OTR tires are bad on-road and hence i was heavily tilted towards Yoko Geo's when i posted on the offroad tire thread. Now am hearing about some interesting options including Maxis 7x16 or 7.5x16 which has confused me a lil, though cost is going to be a major factor.

Trepador on the other hand i have driven when Spidey had them and are quite good, though am not sure how they are in wet tarmac. Khan mentioned something but i don't remember it well now.

EDIT: Oops i didn't see your post Arkaji, but i have enough kms and experience with NDMS and i know their limitations. Am not looking for stock tires coz i want to do some proper OTR's later on.

Yes after recommendations from you and others am heavily leaning towards Trepadors.

EDIT 2 I already have 6x16 MRF's on DwArF and they are just about ok. I know coz i feel em lose traction everytime i take off in 1st gear lol

EDIT 3 Arkaji how will Trepador or Big horns in 7 or 7.5x16 look and perform in CJ, yes they are available

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Hi Sharath,

NDMS is much better than any AT off-road.
When you say offroad, what kind of offroad? Slush, sand, gravel, clay, rock, mud? I am yet to come across a surface where any NDMS trumped my Geo AT/S.

Even in a slush field where Jagat Nanjappa himself told me AT/S can't do it, it prevailed.

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We had to drive over the slush, take a left turn and reach the Jeeps parked on the left extreme. Sounds simple right? Now consider this, those two Jeeps on the right side are not parked, they are sunk till the differentials. So donít judge the terrain by the photos, we couldnít judge the terrain while standing there in person, until we saw Jeeps getting swallowed by the ground.

So I am standing there, visually tracing my run through the slush, forming a strategyÖ and I see Jagat walking purposefully towards my Jeep, mainly staring at my tyres.

Jagat: I suggest you donít try this, your tyres canít do it.
Me: What? These are Yokohama Geolander AT-S, they are good in mud.
Jagat: (looks close at the tyres again) Whatever, these wonít do it. You need NDMS or mud pattern.
Me: But I bought these especially to deal with mud.
Jagat: If you go, you will get stuck.
Me: Well, I will go. Worst thing that can happen is getting stuck. I canít believe my Geolandar AT-S canít handle it.
Jagat: Ok. Give it a try. If you get stuck, we have a tractor standing by.
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LOL you two didn't find any other place to start a war?! But yes why should anyone run away from stating the facts?

NDMS = VFM OTR tires! which can "manage" situations. Nothing more than VFM or the lack of money, at this point of time, that will interest me on these.

They are NOT the best or the right choice, if we are concerned about safety or OTR performance. And i don't need to be an expert or guru to say this, just needs some decent eye sight, few kms of driving and common "science" knowledge.

Most of the hardcore OTR tires are bad on-road and hence i was heavily tilted towards Yoko Geo's when i posted on the offroad tire thread. Now am hearing about some interesting options including Maxis 7x16 or 7.5x16 which has confused me a lil, though cost is going to be a major factor.

Trepador on the other hand i have driven when Spidey had them and are quite good, though am not sure how they are in wet tarmac. Khan mentioned something but i don't remember it well now.

Hi Jaggu,

Unfortunately 6.00X16/7.00X16/7.50X16 are the Ideal sizes for JEEPs.

If the tyre is too broad, they is robs the vehicle of power, if it is narrow then it does not float the vehicle adequately.

That is where the 7.00X16 is Ideal for CJ3B, we started this trend in Chennai in 2006, before TPC, and we were pleasantly surprised.

Its is marginally broader, but floats a CJ3B very well because of it circumference (another way to get a longer contact patch)

for the MM540; 7.50X16 or 8.25X16 will be ideal but both are not available in NDMS pattern.

What about the invincible side-walls of cross-ply tyres, aren't they desirable features for an off-road JEEP?

I have seen only one JEEP so far which could really churn her non-stock tyres, that is Arjun Rudra's FANTA with the 100 bhp and 30 kgm Diesel and 47:1 crawl Ratio, she can dig in upto her Hubs and still move forward in 3rd Low in Sand, churning her 31-11.50-15 Maxxis Mudzillas.

If is from that perspective I suggest
i) 7.00X16 NDMS
ii) Maxxis Trepador

Regards,

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When you say offroad, what kind of offroad? Slush, sand, gravel, clay, rock, mud? I am yet to come across a surface where any NDMS trumped my Geo AT/S.

Even in a slush field where Jagat Nanjappa himself told me AT/S can't do it, it prevailed.
Hi Sharath,

7.00X16 NDMS on a CJ3B is superb on Sand & Slush, not a problem on rocks.

And as far as the NDMS trumping the Geo's then you haven't been off-roading that hard.

Regards,

Arka

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Now am hearing about some interesting options including Maxis 7x16 or 7.5x16 which has confused me a lil, though cost is going to be a major factor.
7.5x16 would be dream come true if exists, it would be perfect for the guys like me who do not want super wide tires and yet achieve 31inches of height. I recollect venky saying its available. Need to cross check with him.

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EDIT 3 Arkaji how will Trepador or Big horns in 7 or 7.5x16 look and perform in CJ, yes they are available
JEEEEYYOOOOO!!!!!!!!

If that is the case, Jaggu, please let me know the Size and the Price.

Regards,

Arka

PS - I heard it was the Kreepy Krawler in 7.00X16
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