Go Back   Team-BHP > Buckle Up > 4x4 & Off-Roading > 4x4 Vehicles


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 7th October 2010, 10:53   #61
BHPian
 
amrisharm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: siliguri/Darj
Posts: 504
Thanked: 298 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by roy_libran View Post
Agreed. I'd love to own a 4x4 Xylo (unless they price it crazy), as my daily drive and also as my ride for highways etc. Sometimes when you do hit bad road conditions, landslides, a bit of slush etc., you would be all the more relaxed knowing that the 4 WD is there to help you out.
Let's get it straight, when we say Off-road with a Xylo, we don't have in mind the stuff that Gypsies, MMs, CJs or the Gurkha (ahem!) are capable of. Just getting us out of sticky situations o spots of bother is more than enough. Also, I happen to love the interiors they are giving out for that price.
Fully agree. Well instead of viewing the 4x4 xylo as a hard off-road vehicle i think we should view it as more of a soft off-roader that helps in the handling, traction, maneuverability and overall control of the vehicle when driving on not so good indian roads. Also it should be seen as a vehicle that will give the owner peace of mind when unexpected obstacles come up like land slides, slush/mud etc etc. Plus the added bonus of knowing he/she can go to the ladakh/leh region whenever he wants and discover the not so often visited places . For that the xylo 4x4 would make a lot of sense AT THE RIGHT PRICE.
amrisharm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th October 2010, 07:34   #62
BANNED
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: London
Posts: 5,012
Thanked: 147 Times
Default

You cant use 4WD on the Roads irrespective of how bad they are. 4WD is NOT meant for Tarmac. Even a Humble Maruti 800 would go to Ladakh without any problems.
Cyrus43 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th October 2010, 08:43   #63
BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Ghaziabad
Posts: 980
Thanked: 698 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyrus43 View Post
You cant use 4WD on the Roads irrespective of how bad they are. 4WD is NOT meant for Tarmac. Even a Humble Maruti 800 would go to Ladakh without any problems.
Not on Roads Cyrus. Slush, Landslide zones, and uneven dirt trails.
roy_libran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th October 2010, 09:15   #64
Team-BHP Support
 
Samurai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: B'lore-Manipal
Posts: 22,042
Thanked: 13,482 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyrus43 View Post
You cant use 4WD on the Roads irrespective of how bad they are. 4WD is NOT meant for Tarmac. Even a Humble Maruti 800 would go to Ladakh without any problems.
Look at what I said on this thread long back:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Samurai View Post
Even I am not sure about the purpose of Xylo 4x4. Surely it is not meant for farm duty or offroading. So, this is meant for on-road driving in slushy roads?

In that case this vehicle can't be a part-time 4x4, or else there will be lots of cases of driveline damage caused by incorrect use of 4x4 mode on tarmac. Even Mahindra SA/mechanics are not familiar with proper 4WD usage let alone sales guys. That means Xlyo has to be full-time or on-demand 4WD where no expertise from the user is required.

That means we are talking about central differential with limited slip. The cheapest vehicle with central differential with limited slip is Grand Vitara at 17L ex-showroom price. And there isn't a single Indian car maker that makes a car with central differential with limited slip until now. The central differential with limited slip is a very expensive component, I am told that this component itself costs 6L on the GV. If the Xylo comes with central differential with limited slip, what will be the price tag? And who will buy it in that price tag.
Now that Tata Aria has come out, we see that it does have AWD with LSD, which pushes the price to 15L. If Xylo comes out with similar package, I can't see how they can be significantly cheaper than Aria.
Samurai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th October 2010, 09:50   #65
Senior - BHPian
 
shankar.balan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: BLR
Posts: 8,053
Thanked: 5,303 Times
Default

Xylo with 4x4 to me doesnt really make sense unless it is a real time 4WD system like the Honda CRV, Skoda Yeti etc, which electronically detects which wheel is losing traction and delivers more power to that wheel to take it out of trouble.

If that new 5 seater Xylo comes in along with 4x4 it just might become an inexpensive leisure vehicle. But its looks do not go with the "macho" image sought by most SUV/ 4x4 consumers.

Bolero Storm with 4x4 and Crde etc is also not so hot - its handling is downright dangerous. the brakes arent near enough and the controls are wobbly and woollen headed with absolutely no response when needed.

Gearshift in the Bolero was never all that hot - in the Storm it has worsened if that is possible. As a tall person with long arms I still found it extremely inconveniently located and uncomfortable.

the interiors and other comforts are sadly lacking and for the huge price that they are charging, it is better and more sensible to buy the lower end Scorpio/ Safari.

Sorry to Bolero fans out there but I liked my Old Bolero at that time when I had it. But life has moved on and standards and expectations now are much higher!

Our Indian manufacturers like Tata and M&M had better work extra hard to ensure that the evolving needs of consumers are constantly met!

Since Mahindra appears to now own Ssangyong motors, they should simply figure out a way to get some of those nice, well evolved and yet inexpensive 4x4's into India.

These vehicles could be the perfect way to serve this new segment -the mass market SUV/4x4 buyer who wants a good quality, comfortable yet utilitarian, tough, feature loaded yet inexpensive SUV/ 4x4.

Our manufacturers now have to think in terms of making the Safety features as standard - like Airbags, ABS, EBD, Traction Control etc. They should not be waiting for the Government to pass legislation on the same like in the case of seat belts around 12 years ago. 4x4 can be an option and should not be limited to trim level of the vehicle.
shankar.balan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th October 2010, 10:02   #66
BHPian
 
amrisharm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: siliguri/Darj
Posts: 504
Thanked: 298 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyrus43 View Post
You cant use 4WD on the Roads irrespective of how bad they are. 4WD is NOT meant for Tarmac.
you cant use 4wd on roads irrespective of how bad they are? could you elaborate more? Are you referring to the "The classic 4x4 transmission wind-up phenomenon"? Is that a case with the xylo 4x4? As i know for a fact the Vitara and the fortuner come with full time 4wd.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyrus43 View Post
Even a Humble Maruti 800 would go to Ladakh without any problems.
Quote:
Originally Posted by amrisharm View Post
Fully agree. Well instead of viewing the 4x4 xylo as a hard off-road vehicle i think we should view it as more of a soft off-roader that helps in the handling, traction, maneuverability and overall control of the vehicle when driving on not so good indian roads. Also it should be seen as a vehicle that will give the owner peace of mind when unexpected obstacles come up like land slides, slush/mud etc etc. Plus the added bonus of knowing he/she can go to the ladakh/leh region whenever he wants and discover the not so often visited places . For that the xylo 4x4 would make a lot of sense AT THE RIGHT PRICE.
I was not talking about the manali leh highway, but places like Turtuk, Panamik in the far north, Karzok, Tsi Moriri south etc etc in the ladakh/ changtang/ Nubra valley. Thats why i said "ladakh/leh region" and not just leh .

Last edited by amrisharm : 8th October 2010 at 10:12.
amrisharm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th October 2010, 11:22   #67
Team-BHP Support
 
tsk1979's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: New Delhi
Posts: 22,850
Thanked: 15,405 Times
Default

Fortuner has a center diff, thats why 4wd on tarmac won't make an issue in such cars.
tsk1979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th October 2010, 12:35   #68
BHPian
 
Torque-ative's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Gurgaon
Posts: 487
Thanked: 54 Times
Default

This car is a boat !
The 500 km round trip, made on a brand new Xylo was enough for me to ensure this car stays away from our radar for a long time to come.
Torque-ative is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th October 2010, 15:39   #69
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 194
Thanked: 235 Times
Default

I personally like the rugged looks of the Bolero over that of a Xylo. the Xylo is too high and its rear tries to overtake the front during hard braking. A Bolero can be modified to look like a proper jeep, by adding off-roading sidebars instead of the aluminium steps, shaving off the wheel arches, adding 235/70/16 wheels, and a 4wd.

IMO, that should be the real mod M&M should think of.
Oreen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26th October 2010, 11:41   #70
BHPian
 
Wild_Card's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Pretoria
Posts: 39
Thanked: Once
Default

Hi Guys

It has being some time that I visited TEAM-BHP... as the mods decided to close the Thar treads... So I cant tell you about what we have done in South Africa....

Well leaving that there... Xylo in 4x4...Mmmmm ..... I dont think so, due a a few technical restrainst it wont be any close to the Scorpio or Bolero. As the Xylo dont have any good angles, both the approach and departure angle is BAD for going off road, then the break angle is also poor. If you need a soft 4x4 for some dirt/mud/snow... maybe it would work..... If you want to buy a 4x4 Mahindra... rather buy a Scorpio/Bolero/Thar... Xylo will be a big NO in my books and waist of money!
Wild_Card is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26th October 2010, 15:07   #71
BHPian
 
Xinger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 151
Thanked: 8 Times
Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild_Card View Post
Hi Guys

It has being some time that I visited TEAM-BHP... as the mods decided to close the Thar treads... So I cant tell you about what we have done in South Africa....
Please don't let that stop you! You can open up a new thread and call it 'Offroading in SA with the Thar' and mention in bold in the opening post, 'Do NOT speculate on India release date of the Thar in this thread, or the mods will shut it down!'

I think there are many people here who would love to see your Thar offroading pics.
Xinger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd January 2011, 22:29   #72
Senior - BHPian
 
Randhawa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Brighton
Posts: 1,103
Thanked: 247 Times
Default Re: 4X4 Mahindra Xylo! EDIT : PICS on page 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by nitrous View Post
Kit car makers, if you insist.
But, which car maker IN THE WORLD sells cars with adjustable suspension that the owner can fiddle with?

I see two reasons why they dont:
1. Cost
2. Safety
To name few, Citron -Xantia(personal experience of playing with the height from inside the cabin)

BMW, Mercedes, Land Rover.
Randhawa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd January 2011, 01:59   #73
Senior - BHPian
 
Red Liner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 1,982
Thanked: 647 Times
Default Re: 4X4 Mahindra Xylo! EDIT : PICS on page 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randhawa View Post
To name few, Citron -Xantia(personal experience of playing with the height from inside the cabin)

BMW, Mercedes, Land Rover.
Ferrari too I reckon...they have adjustable modes for the suspension - hard/soft
Red Liner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th January 2011, 00:46   #74
Senior - BHPian
 
Randhawa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Brighton
Posts: 1,103
Thanked: 247 Times
Default Re: 4X4 Mahindra Xylo! EDIT : PICS on page 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Liner View Post
Ferrari too I reckon...they have adjustable modes for the suspension - hard/soft
Right on brother. Enzo has adjustable shocks not just for performance setting but to clear the big speed bumps and to get into the garage where the driveway is a bit elevated.
Randhawa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th March 2011, 22:38   #75
BHPian
 
rajamuneeb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: srinagar
Posts: 236
Thanked: 75 Times
Default Re: 4X4 Mahindra Xylo! EDIT : PICS on page 4

Instead of launching a Xylo 4x4 i reckon M&M should have rather worked on the storm 4x4 model. Seriously how many buyers would buy the MUV with a 4x4 knowing fully the limitations of the vehicle. A bolero would have been a better option and given people a choice of owning a 4x4 jeep. Not everyone can afford a Scorpio and Thar as basic jeep doesn't qualify as a family vehicle.
rajamuneeb is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Spied: Mahindra Verito Compact Variant. EDIT : New PICS on Page 3 sidindica The Indian Car Scene 112 3rd June 2013 21:30
Mahindra Testing sub-4 meter XYLO. EDIT : Fresh PICS on Page 38 fx45 The Indian Car Scene 717 21st August 2012 22:17
Scoop pic: M&M XYLO Pickup on Test. EDIT : Detailed pictures on page 5 siddhu_engg24 Commercial Vehicles 89 28th January 2011 09:44
Hyundai i10 facelift EDIT: Pic on Page 7, Brochure on page 18 Simhi The Indian Car Scene 451 21st December 2010 16:05
Mahindra Ingenio -Officially announced as XYLO EDIT: Celebration Edition on Page 60 doctor The Indian Car Scene 895 11th January 2010 16:52


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 23:40.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks