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Old 9th April 2010, 10:50   #91
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Fazal I saw a nylon tyre with nasty mud grooves at the ARB store in Bangalore. I think they are from Maxxis and they are 16 inch
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The BF is a all purpose and good tyre but the self cleaning lugs, it lacks is what I have heard.
Remember, once you get stuck in slush, even these tyres become useless and completely coated with muck which does not self clean. Only once you are towed out, will they clean up faster when you wheel spin on firmer ground.

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Fazal I saw a nylon tyre with nasty mud grooves at the ARB store in Bangalore.
ARB has an official store in Bangalore??
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IMHO, please stay away from such practice as the wheel rim will be a suspect for failure during- a) Impact loads b) Fatigue loads.
Hi Spike,

I ABSOLUTELY agree with you on this point.

We can mod and mess around with a lot of things, but tinkering, widening the Wheel Disc is a strict no-no.

Its better to leave the Rotating assemblies alone.

Imagine what will happen if the Rim Breaks a weld on the Highway or while making a steep climb...ABSOLUTE DISASTER.

However one can try putting on an External Bead Lock on any Existing Wheel Disc.

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This method can safely add 0.5 to 1.00 inch to the wheel Section Width, and effectively increase the Contact Width.

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Hi Spike,

I ABSOLUTELY agree with you on this point.

We can mod and mess around with a lot of things, but tinkering, widening the Wheel Disc is a strict no-no.

Its better to leave the Rotating assemblies alone.

Imagine what will happen if the Rim Breaks a weld on the Highway or while making a steep climb...ABSOLUTE DISASTER.



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Sir,
sorry but i disagree,

there is a right way to do things and a wrong way,
Specially modifications.
I charge 50% more for doing some work that a road side mechanic would do, but ya it involves better quality and more skilled labour.
my wheels are tested here, before they go on my vehicles.
and ya they are might road worthy.

Sir, there are alot of parts welded on a jeep at many crucial and load bearing points, that does not mean that they will give way.

Apart from this point fazal bhai there are coopers mudterrain available in bombay , 235/75R15
they look beautiful and have good on road driveability also.
they should be available there also

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Fazalaliadil, I wasn't able to take any info about the BFGs today, I only snapped a photo from the Tigar tires I previosly mentioned. They fit the original rim perfectly, but they sit a bit low. Dimensions are 175/80-16. This is the most probable setup that I would go with. They perform great on road and have respectful performance off road. Without a doubt, you can't expect too much from a tire intended for a light commercial vehicle
They look like winter tires. are they??
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Sir,
sorry but i disagree,

there is a right way to do things and a wrong way,
Specially modifications.
I charge 50% more for doing some work that a road side mechanic would do, but ya it involves better quality and more skilled labour.
my wheels are tested here, before they go on my vehicles.
and ya they are might road worthy.

Sir, there are alot of parts welded on a jeep at many crucial and load bearing points, that does not mean that they will give way.
Hi Allan,

Sorry but I too, strongly disagree.

Along with Right & Wrong Way, there are some things you Just don't do.

Re-Welding Steel Wheel Discs/Rims and changing their load bearing properties, is taking mods too far, the unsafe way.

If you want to re-weld steel wheel discs and put them on your JEEP, its your interest and choice, but please don't say they are better than the original.

And don't expect us to keep quite about it when some one else want's to do it.

There are lots of parts welded on a JEEP, the company uses MIG/TIG and other arc welding processes, I guess you are using MIG/TIG welding?

Look at it this way, Re-Welded Steel Rims = Running with a broken Foot.

Regarding your quality of work, I think its better we don't get into that discussion.

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There are lots of parts welded on a JEEP, the company uses MIG/TIG and other arc welding processes, I guess you are using MIG/TIG welding?

Look at it this way, Re-Welded Steel Rims = Running with a broken Foot.

Regarding your quality of work, I think its better we don't get into that discussion.

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Sir, we use mig and tig welding only
i gave my honest opinion regarding his query,
and no where have i metioned them as being better then original
if you have anything against me regarding the quality of my work, please feel free to pm me, i will consider it as quality critism and work on it.

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and sir please , me dont want to get into any kind of disagreement here,
if there is anything, please pm , as said before it will help me learn

Also Sorry if i did say anything wrong


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Sir, we use mig and tig welding only
i gave my honest opinion regarding his query,
and no where have i metioned them as being better then original
if you have anything against me regarding the quality of my work, please feel free to pm me, i will consider it as quality critism and work on it.

The emerging supremacy of artificial legs. - By William Saletan - Slate Magazine

and sir please , me dont want to get into any kind of disagreement here,
if there is anything, please pm , as said before it will help me learn

Also Sorry if i did say anything wrong
Hi Allan,

Superb that you use TIG/MIG welding.

Mods are not about Right or Wrong, they are Safe or Unsafe, and first enhance the reliability of the vehicle.

Since you are a professional you have to decide what has to be done.

You need to put in more time on the mechanical systems.

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Hi Fazal !!

My small input in the on going discussion about opting for 15-16 inch wheel/tyre combos. I would suggest you can try and get info 16 inch wheels being used on Mahindra's pickup models like Max and Bolero. They can support a wider range of tyre sizes width wise. I am not sure about the difference in the weight of these wheels as compared to original 3B wheels but I think they should be lighter than the Military spec 550 Wheels. Rest Arka can give a more clear information on this idea.

I think you can also look for GT Radial's Savero range. They use a bit hard compound but the tyre life and quality is good. The tyre is available in both A/t and M/t specs. They come in various size options. One can look up with a local dealer for availability of these tyres.

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Re-Welding Steel Wheel Discs/Rims and changing their load bearing properties, is taking mods too far, the unsafe way.
Without implying anything about the quality of work that Allan may be doing (neither am I qualified nor experienced in the art of welding to judge what he does) I have to wholeheartedly agree with Arka and Spike on this issue.

Not just rims but also this business of cutting chassis and shortening it is taking things too far. Its downright unsafe. I too strongly recommend against tinkering with a car to this extent.

Most mfgs that I am aware of will expressly forbid any welding or drilling into the chassis as it inherently weakens the metal.

Such modifications call for extensive expertise of metallurgy and manufacturing processes and its best advised that most of us avoid such changes.

For that matter I am too cagey about all the low cost alloy wheels that seem to be flooding the market. I wonder when ARAI will awaken to the horrors of compromise in safety standards in accessories and spares flooding the indian market

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Hi Fazal !!

My small input in the on going discussion about opting for 15-16 inch wheel/tyre combos. I would suggest you can try and get info 16 inch wheels being used on Mahindra's pickup models like Max and Bolero. They can support a wider range of tyre sizes width wise.

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Diesel_maniac which 16" wheels from Bolero and Maxx are you talking about?

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Diesel_maniac which 16" wheels from Bolero and Maxx are you talking about?

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The point is Fazal sir do not want to change the PCD. It is expensive
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Vinod, that i know, i was asking which 16" wheels rim does Max and Boleros use?
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The point is Fazal sir do not want to change the PCD. It is expensive
Vinod,
Thats right. I want to continue with the same 139.7 PCD, which comes on army jeeps. Changing to 160 PCD is an expensive affair which does not translate into major result or outcome.
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Apart from this point fazal bhai there are coopers mudterrain available in bombay , 235/75R15
they look beautiful and have good on road driveability also.
they should be available there also
Allan,
Thanks again. Any idea of the cost and availability?
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Fazal I saw a nylon tyre with nasty mud grooves at the ARB store in Bangalore. I think they are from Maxxis and they are 16 inch
Deepak,
Thanks, Heavy and deep lugs which are meant for mud or off-roading tend to wear out in no time on-road driving, love the nasty ones though, like the ones you have picked up. Will think of them as an add on for later with the type of tyre carrier frame I had discussed with you.
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Allan:

Its great that you use TIG / MIG welding for your projects. BTW, can you explain how you check the material strength at the welded location?

And whats your measure of performance for judging that the product has passed the test?

Thanks for your inputs.

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