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Old 4th April 2010, 14:29   #16
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Dear jp1 - your comment on rear seat is well taken. There are various reasons why some features are there on some vehicles.

Dear all - Please give your comments on Bolero VLX 4 wheel drive as we in my group are going to progress a prototype for "proof of concept" stage work as of now. It will have mechanically actuated transfer case.

Best regards,

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Dear DB Sir, so its official now!! I was thinking its just another rumour. All the Best for 4x4 Bolero storm. Do you have any launch dates?? I know its too early but just curious. See below for reasons for my curiousity.

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Bolero GLX- 2001 ( sold after clocking 255,000 km)
Bolero SLX 2009 40K driven and counting

I really wanted to go for 4x4 Bolero last year when i was buying one and did test drive on both 4x4 models available.The basic ( fleet model) was lacking PS was looking dated atleast from inside and the top of the range had a older Peugeot power plant ( not the refined DI Turbo) and was not a VFM considering its 7L plus cost on the road. Both 4x4 versions of Bolero were disappointing and had to be settle down for a 2WD SLX and I was forced to use my MM550, CJ3B and Armada 4x4 for my offroading requirements ( read OTR's and farming)

So please give a storm 4x4 soon to replace my 2WD SLX DI Turbo.

Jp1, Thanks for starting this thread.

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JC your bolero looks great, how many kms have you done on it? What tyres are you running on?

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P.S. Apart from those in your signature how many else do you own?
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- Better steering feedback
A steering lock to lock of 2 TURNS only. [This is possible and do able]

PS: @Spike, please dont ask me "how"

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1.) ABS does not necessarily translate into "better brakes". In tests against experienced trained humans, most such humans out perform production ABS systems by a surprising margin. Bigger discs up front and a rear brake that holds on hills would be nice.

ABS with EBD will be good.

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Dear all - Please give your comments on Bolero VLX 4 wheel drive as we in my group are going to progress a prototype for "proof of concept" stage work as of now. It will have mechanically actuated transfer case.

A storm 4wd should not have IFS but solid axle coil spring !!! Ofcourse M&M's suspension department will have to start working then


+ A Diff lock Front and Rear [as the Gurkha]
+ removable running boards [foot steps or whatever its called]. This is the first casualty.
+ Front and rear tow hooks
+ EX SHR price of 7L maxxx.

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JC your bolero looks great, how many kms have you done on it? What tyres are you running on?

Spike

P.S. Apart from those in your signature how many else do you own?
Thank you Spike,
I am still running on OE tyres Bridgestone 215/75/R15 and its done 40K and due for replacement. The tyre is looking bigger bcos of the PLATI 8J alloy wheels.
Well, I think I should ask GTO to increase the text limitation of our signature so that I can add all my rigs here. .
I Guess you know the count and the types already!! Didnt I send you a pm once?
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Thank you Spike,
I am still running on OE tyres Bridgestone 215/75/R15 and its done 40K and due for replacement. The tyre is looking bigger bcos of the PLATI 8J alloy wheels.
I Guess you know the count and the types already!! Didnt I send you a pm once?
Yes I do remember, those alloys are 8J? Does the tyre seat properly on the alloys?

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OT- Bridgestone OE tyres are not tubeless, how have you manage to seal the tyre and alloy assembly? Tyre carcass is different for a tubeless and tube type tyre.
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Hello DB Sir,

Enough and more information is there on a Few Threads, but you don't seem to notice it, since you know what ever M&M makes in the name of 4WDs will sell.

My guess is it was introduced to have the customer, running back, to the A.S.S after every outdoor trip, i.e rip off the customer.

The above applies for the IFS 4WD.

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It will Sell! because nearest thing is five or ten times expensive.

Its easier for Mahindra people to Call Borg warner people and say bhai "Panch hajar 4wd shifter system Bhejo" than to so some real mehnat and R&D on a 4wd mechanism.

In a thread somewhere I did showed how they work hard to create the long body of Mahindra Maxx.
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Dear Ken -

Dear jp1 - your comment on rear seat is well taken. There are various reasons why some features are there on some vehicles.

Dear all - Please give your comments on Bolero VLX 4 wheel drive as we in my group are going to progress a prototype for "proof of concept" stage work as of now. It will have mechanically actuated transfer case.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar
Behram sir,
Thank you for considering our requirements and also endorsing this thread. I am sure, whatever feasible will be done, keeping in mind the diverse requirements of various sectors, but end of the day it has to make financial sense to MM. My request is to keep the improvements to minimal comparing the current 2wd Bolero. We do not need sophisticated stuff, simple, practical, easy to maintain stuff. End of the day, what I am looking for a descent family car which can seat comfortably 5 people with a 'Go anywhere' attitude. That sums up the Storm 4wd requirement.

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Wow..this is a good news!!

I'll be one of the first buyers for this vehicle, IF I get

1. Full time AWD
2. Coil Springs,
3. ABS.
4. Better Plastics.
5. Front facing rear seats.

All of these for 8L On-Road price.

Am i asking bit too much ? then please give me with the following Engine Spec.
1. 2000cc Engine
2. 100Bhp
3. 170Nm-190Nm @ 1500-2500RPM.
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....Well, I think I should ask GTO to increase the text limitation of our signature so that I can add all my rigs here. ....
OT: Shibu, though i was aware of your family of 4x4s, the Bolero was a new addition for me also I guess someday you can organize an exhibition with your fleet!
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All of these for 8L On-Road price.

Am i asking bit too much ? then please give me with the following Engine Spec.
1. 2000cc Engine
2. 100Bhp
3. 170Nm-190Nm @ 1500-2500RPM.

We'll [M&M] give you

1. 2.5L CRDi Engine
2. 105 BHP
3. 260 Nm from 1800-2800 RPM OK!! But you got to pay 10L
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IMO, At 8L many people will consider this as their primary vehicle and that increases the sales. But if anything beyond we have lot of options, like Innova Base model, E2-E4 Xylo, Tavera, Scorpio and Safari.
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if anything beyond we have lot of options, like Innova Base model, E2-E4 Xylo, Tavera, Scorpio and Safari.
I think: The Bolero Storm 2WD can give competetion to the Chevy Tavera as it has got

1. A better engine
2. A more rugged body
3. Cheaper spares

However, the chevy tavera is

1. Easier to drive
2. More fuel efficient than the Storm
3. Has a better fit and finish and name for itself.
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I think: The Bolero Storm 2WD can give competetion to the Chevy Tavera as it has got

1. A better engine
2. A more rugged body
3. Cheaper spares

However, the chevy tavera is

1. Easier to drive
2. More fuel efficient than the Storm
3. Has a better fit and finish and name for itself.
Tavera and Bolero storm is not in competition in any form! Plus you cannot buy a Tavera in Metro's any more. It is not BS 4 compliant! Plus they don't plan to make it in 4wd.

Tavera can compete with Bolero XL/ Plus and Sumo. Headers you forgot to mention space as a primary advantage of Tavera against Bolero in any form.


p.s- One primary requirement i can see reading through Thar thread and this one is lot many people want solid axle coil spring in Mahindra 4wd's. I know it is not possible in Bolero storm immediately but future 4wd's from M&M must have this essential attribute. I think its time to copy Wrangler Rubicon suspension now

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One question pls. Is The Wheelbase of DI 4X4 & SLX 4X4 same?

In specs sheet its mentioned as 2794mm for DI & 2680mm for SLX
Both are 7 seaters only? Or is DI a more longer than SLX.

On the looks both looks same, dimension wise..

Note: 2794 wheelbase is of Bolero Plus
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One question pls. Is The Wheelbase of DI 4X4 & SLX 4X4 same?

In specs sheet its mentioned as 2794mm for DI & 2680mm for SLX
Both are 7 seaters only? Or is DI a more longer than SLX.

On the looks both looks same, dimension wise..

Note: 2794 wheelbase is of Bolero Plus
All Bolero DI have same wheelbase - 2670/2680mm except Bolero DI turbo plus-2794/2800mm. Bolero comes with three 4wd variants. 2 are called LX and SLX respectively with XD3P engines and 1 is called as Di Turbo. IIRC, among these SLX comes with electric shift t/c rest 2 are manual shift t/c.

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