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Old 12th June 2010, 01:32   #1
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Default WW2 Continuous Track Vehicle - Please identify?

Attached are the photos of a continuous track vehicle used in WORLD WAR 2. I got these pics from a friend who picked it up at a Military auction.

I would greatly appreciate it if you guys can help me in identifying the vehicle and how much is it worth.
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Old 12th June 2010, 06:32   #2
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What are the guys doing ? These should have been restored & sent to a museum - and here they are junking these !
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Default Russian AT5

Hi Eagle F1,

That is not a WW2 Vehicle, it is a Russian AT-5 (truck/Tractor) based on a T-55 Tank Hull/Chassis.

I'm very surprised to see this vehicle in INDIA.

I guess the Tank Regiments got a Few as Service & Support/Recovery Vehicles.

Offroad Action / VT-55 Armored recovery vehicule

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PS - Correction this can also be a Soviet MT-LB Platform

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/bellinghausen.htm

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Why are these things auctioned?
what will a common man\enthusiast,do with it?
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Why are these things auctioned?
what will a common man\enthusiast,do with it?
They get bought for the high quality scrap that they yield. I recall knowing a mayapuri dealer who bought some tanks with V12 engines and gun turrets and was under contract to cut them up in 15 days of collecting them. The army actually posted a guard for 15 days at this workshop until the turrets were cut up in small useless pieces, took pictures and only then left. I recall him telling me that the cost of cutting up the high quality metal was enormous and took hundreds of hours to go through each tank.
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What are the guys doing ? These should have been restored & sent to a museum - and here they are junking these !
Its not being junked buddy. Its being transported.
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Hi Guys,

This is not an AT5, neither a BAT-M or BAT-2, nor an MT-LB.

Missing Links Article Douglas Bauer Building a Small Scale BAT-M

http://www.armyrecognition.com/europ...ungary_001.jpg

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PS - Brutus (Bikram Sandhu) can surely solve this mystery.

PPS - http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...61#post5003961

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Default Obyekt 650 a.k.a. ATS-59.

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"That's the Soviet-made artillery tractor Obyekt 650 a.k.a. ATS-59. It was build under licence in Poland als Wyrob 650 and since Poland exported most of those vehicles I wouldn't be suprised if the Indian vehicle turned out to be made in Poland.
The ATS-59 is powered by the A-650 V-12 diesel engine of 295 hp. It has a max. speed of 39 km/h and a range of 350 km."

IDENTIFY - What Soviet Vehicle is this?

ATS-59 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://yhdistykset.akaa.fi/reservila...0707_ats59.jpg
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Some more info (source:ATS-59 Medium Tracked Artillery Tractor (Russia and the CIS) - Jane's Military Vehicles and Logistics ) :
Cab seating: 1 + 1
Weight:(empty) 13,000 kg(loaded) 16,000 kg
Max load: 3,000 kg
Towed load: 14,000 kg
Length: 6.28 m
Width: 2.78 m
Height:(cab) 2.3 m(tarpaulin) 2.5 m
Ground clearance: 0.425 m
Track: 2.25 m
Track width: 525 mm
Ground pressure: 0.52 kg/cm2
Max speed: 39 km/h
Range: 350 km (500 km with long-range tanks)
Vertical obstacle: 1.1 m
Trench: 2.5 m
Max gradient: 50%
Max side slope: 20%
Fording: 1.5 m
Engine: A-650 V-12 water-cooled diesel developing 300 hp at 1,700 rpm
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wow this is so cool , so what has your friend picked it up for? How much?
Man only if we could run this on bombay roads dam rickshaw wals will run for their lives
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wow this is so cool , so what has your friend picked it up for? How much?
Man only if we could run this on bombay roads dam rickshaw wals will run for their lives
The guy is a scrap dealer and picks up trucks, lorries, gypsies, bullets, etc., etc., in the military auction. He managed to get his hands on these, and now wants to sell it to someone who values it instead of scraping it.
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These trucks cannot be driven on roads i guess. Even if so people will abandon road which this truck is using. Unfortunately our Army is loosing trails of our history by scrapping these truck which has contributed a lot for the nation. I pity for these vehicles and the policies which says "use and throw".

Unfortunately in India we don't have enthusiasts like abroad, I know money matters there is a guy who has a collecton of milatary tanks, another one who has steam rail engines .
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Unfortunately our Army is loosing trails of our history by scrapping these truck which has contributed a lot for the nation. I pity for these vehicles and the policies which says "use and throw".
Hey that is not true.

Since this is a modern machine (its Soviet and hence will be from the 1960s the oldest) and Army has plenty of examples of it in stock, there is nothing in disposing off a few. You will agree that they can not "mothball" all machines that they use - they do do with few well preserved examples. Rest will have to be disposed.

With so many of the recepients of our (indian Army's) left ove machines in Africa etc now on various watch lists, we can not even give it away to them.

With out any real historical significance, I don't thinks there would be many collectors for such machines

So sadly only the scrap metal value is there in it.

Best Regards & Drive/Ride safe

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