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Old 30th December 2010, 14:36   #421
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It has given all of us the desired result. Now that the CRDe and DI vehicles are in the showrooms, we are spending quality time, continuing to do things differently there also, to ensure that we give you what you want. This will enhance the capability of deliverables of our present processes which in any case are one of the best in the counrty today.

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@DB : is this a self-proclaimed fact or an established one? this entire post sounds like something the M&M marketing dept has cooked up. if the processes at M&M were the best in the country they wouldnt be selling the junk they do.
i just went through the brochure for the thar mdi; why did they even bother calling the thar?, its still a MM540

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This is from CRDe thread.

Wondering whats so bad about these axles?
Apart from 51" Track width & 3.73 Ratios, what else should be changed? Are they also DANA 44?
Whats the axle load capacity & strength?
Currently these are used in what other vehicle?
What will be the cost of Bolero units? (w.r.t Replacement to 57-53 FFA with current set of 51" at dealer level OR Made to Order?)
Same query for swapping current Dash with CRDe's Dash?

What about warranty for above swaps?
Is the chassis same as Major or same as Army NGCS?

Sorry. Many Questions (If Off Topic here, please move them to Technical section)

Anything else to be worried about in DI?
Hi Offroad Maniac,

I would prefer the following changed from Company.

1)51/51 Track Axles to 57/53FFRA
2)Tail-Gate like the CRDe.

The Differential Ratio is an individual preference, depending on what kind of performance one requires.

The Wider-Track has many advantages, go back a few pages.

1) Better Stability
2) Better Turning Radius
3) Better Articulation
4) Marginally improved axles Rating
5) FFRA.

The pumpkin (Differential Assy) is a Dana 44, with a varying Axle Tube Lengths, hence Axle Lengths and Axle Rating.

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Hi Offroad Maniac,

I would prefer the following changed from Company.

1)51/51 Track Axles to 57/53FFRA
2)Tail-Gate like the CRDe.

The Differential Ratio is an individual preference, depending on what kind of performance one requires.

The Wider-Track has many advantages, go back a few pages.

1) Better Stability
2) Better Turning Radius
3) Better Articulation
4) Marginally improved axles Rating
5) FFRA.

The pumpkin (Differential Assy) is a Dana 44, with a varying Axle Tube Lengths, hence Axle Lengths and Axle Rating.

Regards,

Arka
Thanks Sir.
AFAIK Tail gate is also sam elike CRde. (Only real wheel mount frame is absent)

Can these axles be easily replaced with Bolero axles? w.r.t Diff. Offsets & gears etc.
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The Tail gate looks the same as the CRDe.
Champagne color does not suit the body
Why is it a 7 seater? what happened to the 3rd seat on the row behind the driver?
Will the 4x4 version have Auto locking hubs?
Will adding MDL and other mods even be noticed by the MM Workshops?
Why can't the axles be replaced on the MDi?
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Why is it a 7 seater? what happened to the 3rd seat on the row behind the driver?
Due to CMVR, it is registered as a 7-seater. But 8 people can comfortably sit (2 in the front + 6 on the jump seats).
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Can these axles be easily replaced with Bolero axles? w.r.t Diff. Offsets & gears etc.
yes

but is it worth?

after spending 6 L (on road) do you want to spend more on new axles? or second hand ones?


EDIT: AFAIK the the MDI comes with NGT520/T-18 combo so rear FFRA is left/right offset. (depends from which angle you are looking at it)

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im still not sure about MDI being offered in 4x4 along with CRDe 4x4, by M&M!

or

M&M should consider 4x2 CRDe to sell it in large numbers!
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unfortunately NGCS MAJOR had drum brakes.
no disc-brakes for MDI.

for MAHINDRA. (if its a printing mistake then for MM MARKETING)

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...i-brochure.pdf
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could i please get any confirmation from M&M Staff about MDI 4x4 being sold side by side CRDe 4x4?

Spike, Vinod or BD sir, please confirm this.
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Due to CMVR, it is registered as a 7-seater. But 8 people can comfortably sit (2 in the front + 6 on the jump seats).
I'd like to see this, Unless u mean 6 children in the back. 4 people in the back legs are interlocked with the person sitting opp. A 5th person in the back has no comfortable space.
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I'd like to see this, Unless u mean 6 children in the back. 4 people in the back legs are interlocked with the person sitting opp. A 5th person in the back has no comfortable space.
I shouldn't have mentioned 'comfortably' I just meant that there is space for three people (widthwise) on each of the jumpseats. Legroom / comfort is a perennial problem for all UVs with side facing seats, Mahindra or otherwise.
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Will the 4x4 version have Auto locking hubs?
MDI has Free Wheeling Hubs. You will have to source them and add after market.

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Will adding MDL and other mods even be noticed by the MM Workshops?
Why can't the axles be replaced on the MDi?
Lockers won't be noticed, unless you break axles damage crown pinion and try to make a warranty claim.

The cost of axles new are over 60K so it won't be cost effective.

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could i please get any confirmation from M&M Staff about MDI 4x4 being sold side by side CRDe 4x4?

Spike, Vinod or BD sir, please confirm this.
In most cities and big towns, the showrooms for the Scorpio/XYLO has been separated from the Bolero/Jeep range. The Thar CRDe is in the Scorpio/XYLO showroom & MDI is in the Bolero showroom. In kottayam both are in the same building but handled by separate teams of staff. The MDI is out in the rain & sun.The CRDe is in the airconditioned hall chilling next to it's siblings Scorpio XYLO.
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In most cities and big towns, the showrooms for the Scorpio/XYLO has been separated from the Bolero/Jeep range. The Thar CRDe is in the Scorpio/XYLO showroom & MDI is in the Bolero showroom. In kottayam both are in the same building but handled by separate teams of staff. The MDI is out in the rain & sun.The CRDe is in the airconditioned hall chilling next to it's siblings Scorpio XYLO.
thanks for the answer addict.

well i think i should have been more clear in my question. i wanted to know if DI 4x4 would be sold along with CRDe 4x4? i didnt mean sold through the same showroom standing next to each other.

i wanted to ask, wont the DI 4x4 eat into the sales of CRDe 4x4?
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MDI has Free Wheeling Hubs. You will have to source them and add after market.
So it wont come with Factory fitted Auto Wheeling Hubs like the CRDe. Nice. After market FWH we are aware of, but the ones on the CRDe seem very interesting. Can this be procured and fitted onto the MDi 4x4

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... unless you break axles damage crown pinion and try to make a warranty claim.
Strange who here has damaged their axles due to a good quality Locker?


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i wanted to ask, wont the DI 4x4 eat into the sales of CRDe 4x4?
I dont think it will. First off the Di cannot be registered in Metros
Secondly the top speed, refinement and comfort of the CRDe due to CRDe and IFS is on a different plane altogether.

Those who want the CRDe will still go buy it.

Those who cannot afford the CRDe would settle for the MDi 4x4
Those who believe in the articulation of a live axle vs IFS would go for the MDi - ( this topic will never die.)

If you look at it that way then yes
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Strange who here has damaged their axles due to a good quality Locker?
No correlation between a good locker and axle twisting/shearing. The chances of busting axles is much higher if you use a locker. Stock axles are not designed to withstand the additional torque of a locked differential.
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