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Old 8th March 2011, 12:04   #106
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To all Stalwarts and Gurus of M&M,
"Disclaimer: Please excuse my ignorance at the outset" :P
On the more serious side I wanted to know:
1. If the Thar DI is available with PS and comes AC ready as in the Thar CRDe?
2. What kind of costs would it entail to simplify the dash to the original all metal like
the MM540/550? Would it impact the warranty?
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1. If the Thar DI is available with PS and comes AC ready as in the Thar CRDe?
Thar DI is not *AC Ready" and doesn't have PS. It has the Manual Recirculating Ball Steering which is the same one used in the Mahindra Pick up. It is okay for upto 235 mm tire size.

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2. What kind of costs would it entail to simplify the dash to the original all metal like
the MM540/550? Would it impact the warranty?
-salil
I think the old metal dash maybe actually be hiding behind the plastic one so it maybe just the cost of sourcing the meters etc and painting. The Thar DI has a decent dash so it may not be worth the effort.
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@4x4 addict Thanks for your reply.
Some more queries on the same lines:
Thar DI is not *AC Ready" and doesn't have PS. It has the Manual Recirculating Ball Steering which is the same one used in the Mahindra Pick up. It is okay for upto 235 mm tire size.

- Is it correct to assume that the MRCB steering would not be very hard to drive?
- Would fitting an AC aftermarket affect the warranty in any manner?

I think the old metal dash maybe actually be hiding behind the plastic one so it maybe just the cost of sourcing the meters etc and painting. The Thar DI has a decent dash so it may not be worth the effort.

- My idea of going back to the old metal dash was only to clear up all the exposed cabling. Is there an easier which would also mean a more economical way of doing the same.

Thanks in advance.
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@salil:

The MRCB Steering has a higher ration than the standard MM540 steering so it is easier than the older steering to drive.

Techinically, fitting an AC will void warranty, but it all depends on how your dealership handles it. The biggest problem with accomodating an AC in the 4WD MDI engine bay is that the compressor fowls with the aluminum tube that runs from the turbo to the air intake. This tube will have to be extended. These modifications could cause warranty issues.
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Has anyone taken a Thar MDI off-road? IMO, it should be similar to the Major, only better because of the more modern chassis.

AFAIK, the MDI3200TC is a proven, fuel efficient engine on the Bolero. It was peppy on the Major, and should be very good in the Thar.

Is the Thar MDI the cheapest (S)UV you can buy in India? It's under 5 lacs for the 2WD, right?
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Yesterday I spotted this Thar MDI at my home town It's a 4x4 and with CEAT NDMS on it.It just looked like a restored mm540.

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Yesterday I spotted this Thar MDI at my home town It's a 4x4 and with CEAT NDMS on it.It just looked like a restored mm540.
So thats the Champagne color. Ok. Doesn't look that bad. (Have to see some more pics)
IMO earlier Major's greenish color could have looked better.

but the stock tires & the axle width does not suit the Jeep.
So 4WD MDi has 3 months waiting period? Any review as yet?

BTW. Notice the S/T.. looks different than the CRDe one??... Not fitting tight

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it should be similar to the Major, only better because of the more modern chassis.
AFAIK, the MDI3200TC is a proven, fuel efficient engine on the Bolero.
It was peppy on the Major, and should be very good in the Thar.
Is the Thar MDI the cheapest (S)UV you can buy in India? It's under 5 lacs for the 2WD, right?
the Thar mdi is nothing but major with 550 body.

why Thar should be better than major? both have the same engine.

the cheapest suv will be Thar crde 4x4. (even without AC, PW, HT )
the Thar mdi 4x2 is the cheapest jeep available in market, not the cheapest UV. (it will be EECO, ACE, VENTURE)

note: all above statements are IMO only )

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Sreejesh, can you find out the cost of Mdi4WD from your local M&M dealer? No details available in bangy area.
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SVS,

Thar MDI 2WD Ex Show room :- 433900.00
On Road :- 484000.00

4WD Ex Show room :- 481600.00
On Road :-554000.00

4WD - 2 months Waiting period.2WD ready for delivery.
ITL motors Calicut already sold 4 4WD MDIs.
- Sreejesh

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Thanks SreeJesh,
Anyone knows the prices for 4WD MDi around Mumbai?

BTW, that pic of the MDi with those smaller NDMS tyres looks very similar to the original 1955 CJ5 jeeps.

Blast from the past???

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Hi Jeepster,
AFAIK the chassis of Major & Thar MDI are also different, though both are boxed (NGCS).
Not sure though. If possible can you post some images for Major & Thar's chassis? Also Major had 48" Track width v/s 51" for Thar?
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4WD Ex Show room :- 481600.00
On Road :-554000.00
Nice, not a bad idea to get one of this for 5.5L and put a AC (30K), 5 chinese 235/75/R15 AT tyres (20K) and 5 gypsy rims (5K - can be earned back by giving back OE tyres/rims) - for 6L it is a super good place to put ones money at...
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AFAIK the chassis of Major & Thar MDI are also different, though both are boxed (NGCS).
Not sure though. If possible can you post some images for Major & Thar's chassis? Also Major had 48" Track width v/s 51" for Thar?
you are right.

but this difference dose not make the Thar mdi better than naya major.

IMO the difference is on paper, but what do you think a general buyer will say.
"साहेब ही तर इंटर सारखीच आहे "
"साहब ये तो इंटर जैसे ही है"
"sir this is just like inter"
(the word inter is used for MDI 2500A in our area. so they are called inter jeep.
major is called latest inter/new inter)

check out the spec's of major & thar mdi.


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do you see any thing odd??
  1. weight (more than major)
  2. approach angle (less than major)
  3. departure angle (less than major)
  4. engine ??
  5. ground clearance (less than major)
  6. fuel tank capacity
  7. tyre size
only plus points are
  1. 550 body
  2. wide axles
  3. NGT520
rgds,
Nikhil

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Nice, not a bad idea to get one of this for 5.5L and put a AC (30K), 5 chinese 235/75/R15 AT tyres (20K) and 5 gypsy rims (5K - can be earned back by giving back OE tyres/rims) - for 6L it is a super good place to put ones money at...
Dear Santosh - You have become an expert, but please read only one lonnnnnggggg sentence below:

A typical AC installation requires a compressor, that compressor has to be driven by the engine via the crankshaft pulley, then it becomes a natural requirement that the compressor must be mounted in such away that the belt line of the crankshaft pulley and the compressor pulley must lie in one plane, then it becomes natural to presume that the compressor would be mounted on the lower side of the engine in order to keep belt length small, then you would open the bonnet and look at the obvious mounting locations, then you would realize that this thing has a rigid axle which would move up and down and occupy precious space, so your eyes would move to the top of the engine, so you would want to mount it next to the rocker arm cover, then you would realize that there are not enough supporting points to locate the compressor here, then you would also realize if you could find place to fit the belt at all, the belt length taken from the crank shaft pulley would be very large which would result in belt whipping, then you would think of driving the compressor off the water pump pulley, then you would realize that the water pump pulley has a single groove, then you would think of making a double groove water pump pulley and even if you got away by mounting like this, you would ruin the water pump bearings prematurely. Whew! That was only a very small part of the compressor mounting DFMEA (Design Failure Mode Effect Analysis) and I have not yet really started the DFMEA. I think you have got the message. Next - where does the blower unit go? Where does the condenser go? Even if you somehow manage to do the whole thing, what would happen to the acceleration with a 3.73:1 axle ratio? Then, you would try and change the axle ratio as many of our common friends would advise you to do, maybe also a bigger length of axle with the great "FFRA", also with "something something" which may finally give you "nothing nothing" ????? .

Thar DI replaces CL550MDI Major and it has very unique / typical uses for which it is perfectly suited. If you want to buy it for the OTRs, by all means buy it and enjoy it as it is, otherwise, isn't there another vehicle out there which is the obvious answer? Think about it!

Dear MH24 / Jeepster - your comment "Thar DI weight is more than Major", please download some part of The Motor Vehicle Rules and read it. It will surely bring a wide smile to your face when you know the real reason. Oh come on now! .

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Dear MH24 / Jeepster - your comment "Thar DI weight is more than Major", please download some part of The Motor Vehicle Rules and read it. It will surely bring a wide smile to your face when you know the real reason. Oh come on now!
Behram sir, i am saying that its a V2 major in 550 disguise. (its IMO only )

& i know the reason for the weight is more & 7 seater configuration.

rgds
Nikhil

BTW i saw Thar (mdi) for the first time last night & i thank Thar team for that.
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