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Originally Posted by BUSA

2. Diesel Swift is much much more FTD then the Petrol counterpart & so are almost are diesel cars compared to their petrol counter parts(exception being the vRS)

Busa if the diesels were such fun to drive, why is it that still all high performance cars are petrols? The only manufacturer whose diesel engines are superior to petrols in terms of power is Hyundai. Thats because their petrol engines are all just rubbish. Just compare the mercs in terms of power or the BMW 5 series cars.

In daily day to day driving, you are using peak torque of the car, wheras how many times do you revv to 4000RPM in regular driving. Petrol cars are said to produce peak torque over 4000RPM Dont get me wrong, i was a total petrol head, till i drove the Verna/Swift If you read my older posts i was highly against diesel vehicles.

Well in most decent petrol engines, 85-90% of peak torque is available at as low as 2000-2500 rpm. So its not like petrols are torque starved. The diesels on the other hand definitely *ARE* torque and power starved until they turbo kicks in. If you take the turbo off the diesel car, it'll be as slow as a horse carriage. Also diesels typically build revs slower than petrols which only exacerbates the issue.

There is no point in comaparing a high powered petrol to a diesel which looks underpowered in the comaparission. If the car petrol car is high powered, then it will cost more. Yes, you cant compare the 325i to the 320D but the 325i costs a whopping 4Lacs more. A real comparission will be between a 320i and 320D

The stock Swift petrol engine is fantastic, only thing the diesel overshawdows it.

Well the 320d costs 2.5 lacs or so more than the 320i. By your logic, then that isn't a fair comparison either.

The stock swift engine is ancient. Its been doing duty in the esteem for more than 10 years. Frankly to me it feels dreadful to drive as there's no response whatsoever. On the other hand the MJD engine is newer tech and obviously it should perform better. FYI the folks at top gear consider the same diesel engine which also does duty in the Fiat 500 as *absolute rubbish* when they reviewed the Fiat 500. [either S10E8 or E9]

Still still still.... a stock swift petrol is faster than a stock swift diesel . Why you ask me? Just because of the turbo lag.

@ ROC - I would suggest you need to drive a diesel car for long and drive it like a diesel and then you will get the point. Dont revv her, drive in the torque curve.

Trouble is that I find them way too slow when not in the power band if I don't rev them quickly into the power band. Once you are in the powerband, obviously there's no reason to rev the engine.

The turbolag in my terms is not lag but silence before the strom And all Turbo cars will have it whether petrol diesel.

The difference between turbo'ed petrol and diesel cars is that the petrols are still pretty nimble when not in the power band... that is unless you do stupid things like 6th gear at 30mph.

@rippergeo: Drive a palio 1.6 once. Its in the same price bracket as your swift diesel. Once you drive it, you'll know what a real petrol engine is like. Or drive any of the higher end sedans... corolla/civic/cedia/octy tpi. One thing to note is none of them other than the octy petrol will give you a huge boost like the diesels. However without realizing, you'd be doing much faster than what you did in your verna or swift.