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Originally Posted by Gangsta  I fully agree with you mate for your airbag concept. You are right in that part.
But not in 2nd part of introducing TCS or ESP in C-Class Segment. C-Class segment can cross 150 kmph mark easily. I think all of them in India.
Talking of Verna as i had read someone done 220 kmph mark. SX4 can cross 150 kmph mark too. V6 accord auto can do around 220 kmph mark too. So, it should be there as an optional feature in such cars.
As i said in my previous post. I know the dynamics limit of all the 3 cars i own and i drive within them.
TCS in my elantra just increased the cornering dynamics if compared to Accent and i drive within that dynamics. Same with my Accent, I use my ABS a lot on normal Roads for cornering my car on highways because i know accent's dynamics while using ABS at high speeds which i can't do at all in non ABS cars.
Its not like ABS are used in wet or sandy conditions. at 150 kmph + hard brakes and you can control your car and cornering can be done easily. (but for this you need to know your car's dynamics perfectly). That's what i do on highways (only on Jaipur-Delhi highways and delhi - GT Road to punjab) thats where i drive a lot. lol that's why my brake pads always changes after 10-15k km.
Single lane highways or Agra highway not good to try such things. We don't have to drive there according to our car's dynamics but we are limited to the roads conditions. Agra highway is good and smooth but its very much curvy and not that wide.
So, such things are just the addon to the car's dynamics. But Yes you are right on that part. There are some over confident idiots who don't know the driving dynamics and plays fearlessly taking the car beyond the limits.
These things wont harm till you know the dynamics of your car and you drive within that dynamics limitations. |
Taking SLK to corners with 100kmph is good,but then every one must know that C-segment cars can touch 170-180kmph ( present generation ), but that is not the speed to be carried into twisted roads.
And as these cars will be doing high speeds they need ABS+EBD, but not ESP. An in some tricky/high risk/accident zone situation, EBD can really help. 90% of the things will be controlled.
Addition of ESP will ofcourse really help, but the indian market need ABS+EBD not ESP.
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Originally Posted by Maverick_x1 Well put @GTO!
PS : No Matter how great a Driver you are, one driving next/behind/opposite to you may not be!!!! |
Excatly, thats what I mean. If some oppsote/behind/next will not be ( mostly they are not ) sensible, i.e. already they are not sesnsible, and if they get this ESP security, they will be more senseless.
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Originally Posted by .anshuman The best part about ABS is while braking on slippery surfaces you can steer the car and you dont have to calculate braking pressure very complexly to avoid skids,just slam it.
The real ability of Traction Control comes out in tricky conditions like snow where excessive wheelspin is causing trouble.
Traction Control is also very reassuring around the corners when especially in our driving envoirnment where gravel,loose stuff and uneven surfaces are so common. |
I dont think that Indian cars have to conquer snow so frequently the ESP is needed.
We dont have so much power in our vehicles that we need ESP to make some sense when we encounter loose stuff, gravel and uneven surfaces, we can easily manage ourselves and if ABS/EBD is avaiable, it will help while braking. I totally agree with you in the ABS part.
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Originally Posted by strips007 People talk a lot about accidents but they dont realize the value of safety equipment/precautions. Because nobody remembers an accident avoided, most of the time people dont realize that they have been saved.
I found it funny that it hardly cost anything extra to add these features to ABS but still we dont have these system in most of indian cars. I was reading somwhere that it cost around 10000 to add these, though this is cost of system, final selling price may be higher. |
Agree with you that ABS is a must and must be applied to almost all vehicles.
I believe that Accident is something that can happen no matter what you have in your or what is the badge on your car. But then there are sort of situation which could have been avoided, if not you, then by the opposite person. ABS+EBD will help reduce the chance and number of crashes and accidents.
ESP will increase the risk of both.