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Originally Posted by aaggoswami

Yes, it will help and there is no doubt. But while many of them lose control because of oversteering, is that oversteering occuring because of emergency situtaion out of our control or negligence????

This oversteer is because of emergency situation and negligence both. As i said it is helpful for the unexperienced guys. But on the other hand you are right about this thing as in India we have many stupid drivers taking their cars beyond their controlled dynamics. I understand your point about it.
But it can happen with ABS + EBD too, one of my friend have swift with ABS, he always use to enjoy my drive on highways using full use of ABS many times on highways while cornering. He is so much over confident now by using ABS that i'm really scared to sit with him. He brakes so late i can't tell you. I was use to request him not to do such things its very dangerous. He blames me for it because i use to drive with a good confidence. But i give a good distance bet. me and the car i'm overtaking which my friend don't do it. He use to drive esteem before swift. But after having ABS Swift he drives with over confidence.

Originally Posted by aaggoswami

NOte that even if the car is with ESP, if the corners are attacked too fast or we are driving too fast on wet surface, the ESP wont be of much help.
At very high speeds, even ESP becomes useless. For eg. attacking hair pin bend at 280 kmph, no one can help.

In India we don't have even a single highway where we can drive at 280 kmph. It is helpful cornering really hard complimented by ABS + EBD + TCS + BAS. It will be helpful driving at 100-140-150 kmph which is the max speed we can drive on highways for a longer period of time.

Originally Posted by aaggoswami

Indian cars are not tortiose, but not really powerfull.
Figure out.
Largest selling car in USA:
Toyota Camry, 166 bhp with 2.4lt I-4, 268bhp with 3.5 V6.
Largest selling car in India:
Maruti Suzuki Alto, 47bhp with 0.8ltr I-3. (64bhp 1.1 avaliable initially )

Largest selling vehicle ( till now ) in USA:
Ford F-150, avaliable with V6, V8.

Honda Civic usa: 140bhp.
India: 132.

SX4 USA: 143 bhp, India : 102.

City/Fit USA: 110 bhp, India: MOst sold 77bhp other 100bhp.

So do we really need ESP, ask again.

By no means we have tortoise cars, but we are still not upto the develped markets standards in case of power of vehicles. In europe also there are powerful I-4 and V6 being used on the roads. Not on ours.

Have ya seen the price difference and quality bet. the cars selling in USA and India?
I'm not saying ESP should be there in all the cars.
As i said, for Indian Highways, 100-150 kmph is enough for running the car for a longer time. All the C-Segments even hatchbacks like swifts getz etc, can touch such speeds easily. ESP will helpful for such speeds too even more helpful.
Whats the use of Camry V6 or V8 on Indian Roads? They are status symbol mate. Not the performance based one.
We do have Accord V6, what are the security goodies they provide in Accord V6? ABS + EBD + Airbags? TCS (i'm not sure).
We do have big engines like superb, laura, embera, accord etc we can't run them 140-150 kmph on indian highways constantly.

Well only Sonata Embera have ESP in India. Sonata having so much of goodies going down. Elantra with so much security goodies (a real flop one in India). Means such cars in India have a status symbol and that too very few in Numbers which hyundai really lacks. So, we should talk about C-Segments and B-Segments which is a majority in India.

Originally Posted by aaggoswami

In the first place, I appreciate the discipline you have.

Are all Delhi road used ranging from 100cc motorcycle riders to car drivers as disciplined as you are??
No they are not.

thanx for the appreciation bro. Most of the bikers in delhi are not disciplined at all. day before yesterday while i was going to hyundai plaza i saw 2 accidents at different places and that too just infront of me and in both the cases my Elantra's Brakes did a superb job saving those fools who flew on the road infront of me and my good luck i was not having any vehical behind me. I'm 100% dead sure if any nearby car behind me could had smashed me from the back. Luckily i was safe and those 2 fools too. One biker havnt seen auto running on his left and without watching on the left he just steered the bike and smashed into the auto and lost balance. 2nd stupid jumped a red light and smashed a cyclist very hard and his hand was broken.

Originally Posted by aaggoswami

I think that rather than ESP, in the above mentioned situation ABS + EBD will do most of the job. ESP will be huge help though.

Yes, everywhere the stupid drivers are there, but I think that in India they are majority and ESP will help. I have to admit this.

Exactly.