Ice Issue-Esteem - Team-BHP

invincible7 · 23rd February 2007, 13:42

Here is my ICE Setup..
XS-L122P5 Sub Woofer (Sony)
DEH-P4750M Pioneer HU
GTO936 JBL Speakers (6" x 9" 3-Way Loudspeaker)
Alpine (4 Channel) Amplifier

The sub is sitting in the box placed in the boot....I am having issues with the sound clarity.. and also the sound tends to tear when the volume level is 25+... need help to sort this out.... also please guide me to if anythg need to be removed or added for getting more punch in the bass...

esteem_lover · 23rd February 2007, 14:23

I think you mean the speakers are jarring at high decibels. try to find out if it is the front or rear or the sub by disconnecting each of them individually. You seem to have mixed & matched with some ordinary, decent & good systems.

moralfibre · 23rd February 2007, 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by invincible7

Here is my ICE Setup..
XS-L122P5 Sub Woofer (Sony)
DEH-P4750M Pioneer HU
GTO936 JBL Speakers (6" x 9" 3-Way Loudspeaker)
Alpine (4 Channel) Amplifier

My suspect would be the Alpine amp. Is it genuine?

invincible7 · 23rd February 2007, 15:18

Hmm moralfibre...i think its malaysian...but it works good... on low levels..and if the volume is 25+ the sub seem to jarr as esteem lover pointed out... i mean i get the punch but not the crispier kinds.. sometimes.....

hydrashok · 23rd February 2007, 15:47

By clarity issues, did you mean that the sound is too harsh? Or that it distorts at high volumes?

Where does the sound tend to "tear"? From the sub or from the 6x9s? I guess from the 6x9s, right?

1) Problem could be that the gains for the 6x9s are set too high in the amp.
2) The HPF/LFP filters for the 6x9s are set to 'off' in the amp?

And if the amp is not genuine Alpine...

Unrelated, but a little related

You don't have speakers in front? I guess you'll be driving the car mostly? Getting speakers in front will make a lot of difference to the overall ambience in front.

invincible7 · 23rd February 2007, 18:26

@hydrashok i have the front speakers... dont know the brand... and the sound tend to tear from the sub.. will check on wat u pointed out though...

Sam Kapasi · 24th February 2007, 20:39

Ah, so the sound is tearing from your Sony Subwoofer. It's not a very nice subwoofer, actually. However, do let us know, is it mounted in a box, or is there a hole in the parcel shelf of your esteem?
Are you using a low pass filter in your amplifier.

If the subwoofer is mounted in the parcel shelf, as I suspect, check if the tearing/vibration is indeed coming from the sub and not it's surroundings.

speedzak · 25th February 2007, 11:11

As we wait for the answers for Sam's questions, can you please also explain what your gain settings are? Both, for the sub and speakers.

invincible7 · 25th February 2007, 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Ah, so the sound is tearing from your Sony Subwoofer. It's not a very nice subwoofer, actually. However, do let us know, is it mounted in a box, or is there a hole in the parcel shelf of your esteem? Its mounted in a box made for it.. and it sits in the boot...
Are you using a low pass filter in your amplifier. dont know wat its exactly... am not too good with audio teminology...apologies..

If the subwoofer is mounted in the parcel shelf, as I suspect, check if the tearing/vibration is indeed coming from the sub and not it's surroundings.

One more thing which i noted... the HD setting.. if i get the front speakers turned off.. the sub... gets into the tearing mode i mentioned.. and when i get the front ones on... with the overall.setup... one of rear JBl's starts to tear and the sub works fine... ahh seems soo complicated....

... and yes..

Sam Kapasi · 25th February 2007, 14:00

invincible, what you need is a decent installer. This doesn't look to me like something you can fix yourself.

speedzak · 25th February 2007, 15:46

The questions remain unanswered.

lease:

How do you turn off the front speakers? Fade! I assume. Or please explain.

Doesn't the 4750 have 2 pre-outs?

What I think is the preouts are not utilised in your setup or it's not done correctly. So, it is better to get the setup checked by a good installer.

esteem_lover · 25th February 2007, 21:36

A case of absolutely messy install. get your car to a half decent installer & you should be fine.
cheers

navin · 26th February 2007, 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by invincible7

Here is my ICE Setup..
XS-L122P5 Sub Woofer (Sony)
DEH-P4750M Pioneer HU
GTO936 JBL Speakers (6" x 9" 3-Way Loudspeaker)
Alpine (4 Channel) Amplifier...

a) what front speakers do you have?
b) what is the model number on the alpine amp
c) is the amp connected to the front speakers and sub only or have all four speakers and sub been connected to the amp?
d) if all else fails, Sam K. can check it out personally. He just has some pre-requsites that need to be filled! :-)

invincible7 · 26th February 2007, 14:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by navin

a) what front speakers do you have? dont know
b) what is the model number on the alpine amp dont know its a 4 channel amp
c) is the amp connected to the front speakers and sub only or have all four speakers and sub been connected to the amp? yes its connected to all
d) if all else fails, Sam K. can check it out personally. He just has some pre-requsites that need to be filled! :-)

all of it was working fine... and now i have this issue with it..

23rd February 2007, 13:42	#1 (permalink)
invincible7 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 162	Ice Issue-Esteem Here is my ICE Setup.. XS-L122P5 Sub Woofer (Sony) DEH-P4750M Pioneer HU GTO936 JBL Speakers (6" x 9" 3-Way Loudspeaker) Alpine (4 Channel) Amplifier The sub is sitting in the box placed in the boot....I am having issues with the sound clarity.. and also the sound tends to tear when the volume level is 25+... need help to sort this out.... also please guide me to if anythg need to be removed or added for getting more punch in the bass...

23rd February 2007, 14:23	#2 (permalink)
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 5,278 View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (5)	I think you mean the speakers are jarring at high decibels. try to find out if it is the front or rear or the sub by disconnecting each of them individually. You seem to have mixed & matched with some ordinary, decent & good systems. __________________ Goodbye Dada, you made us proud.

23rd February 2007, 15:47	#5 (permalink)
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,177 View My Garage	By clarity issues, did you mean that the sound is too harsh? Or that it distorts at high volumes? Where does the sound tend to "tear"? From the sub or from the 6x9s? I guess from the 6x9s, right? 1) Problem could be that the gains for the 6x9s are set too high in the amp. 2) The HPF/LFP filters for the 6x9s are set to 'off' in the amp? And if the amp is not genuine Alpine... Unrelated, but a little related You don't have speakers in front? I guess you'll be driving the car mostly? Getting speakers in front will make a lot of difference to the overall ambience in front. __________________ Alpine 9887 \| TRU Tech S44 \| Image Dynamics XS65 \| Image Dynamics IDQ12 D2V2 \| Connection Audison

24th February 2007, 20:39	#7 (permalink)
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bombay (but watch this space) Posts: 7,211 View My Garage	Ah, so the sound is tearing from your Sony Subwoofer. It's not a very nice subwoofer, actually. However, do let us know, is it mounted in a box, or is there a hole in the parcel shelf of your esteem? Are you using a low pass filter in your amplifier. If the subwoofer is mounted in the parcel shelf, as I suspect, check if the tearing/vibration is indeed coming from the sub and not it's surroundings. __________________ Live the YetiLife®

25th February 2007, 11:11	#8 (permalink)
speedzak Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Delhi. Travelling as usual! Mumbai was great. Posts: 3,907 View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (4)	As we wait for the answers for Sam's questions, can you please also explain what your gain settings are? Both, for the sub and speakers. __________________ A very big THANK YOU, Bombay! Will miss you guys! :(

23rd February 2007, 15:18	#4 (permalink)
invincible7 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 162	Hmm moralfibre...i think its malaysian...but it works good... on low levels..and if the volume is 25+ the sub seem to jarr as esteem lover pointed out... i mean i get the punch but not the crispier kinds.. sometimes.....

23rd February 2007, 18:26	#6 (permalink)
invincible7 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 162	@hydrashok i have the front speakers... dont know the brand... and the sound tend to tear from the sub.. will check on wat u pointed out though...

25th February 2007, 14:00	#10 (permalink)
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bombay (but watch this space) Posts: 7,211 View My Garage	invincible, what you need is a decent installer. This doesn't look to me like something you can fix yourself. __________________ Live the YetiLife®

25th February 2007, 15:46	#11 (permalink)
speedzak Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Delhi. Travelling as usual! Mumbai was great. Posts: 3,907 View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (4)	The questions remain unanswered. lease: How do you turn off the front speakers? Fade! I assume. Or please explain. Doesn't the 4750 have 2 pre-outs? What I think is the preouts are not utilised in your setup or it's not done correctly. So, it is better to get the setup checked by a good installer. __________________ A very big THANK YOU, Bombay! Will miss you guys! :(

25th February 2007, 21:36	#12 (permalink)
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 5,278 View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (5)	A case of absolutely messy install. get your car to a half decent installer & you should be fine. cheers __________________ Goodbye Dada, you made us proud.

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