Should I spend for serious ICE ? - Page 3 - Team-BHP

low_bass_makker · 18th June 2007, 22:48

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

My point isn;t the CBR or VBR. Dude there is a massive difference between an original audio CD and a 128KBps MP3. Massive. You don't need to be an audiophile or engineer to hear that difference. And neither do you need great equipment, you could hear the difference even on Xplod speakers!

Just make sure your Audio CD is not made from reconverting that 128KBps file lol

Sam Bhai I agree that the difference is very obivoius but it for us who have such trained ear ...I have seen lots of people who cannot judge that which is better FM or CD....and some also says that FM is better because of the beats in it.

esteem_lover · 18th June 2007, 23:00

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

M And neither do you need great equipment, you could hear the difference even on Xplod speakers!

So you are admitting that Xplod speakers are pretty good at showing up the difference in quality of rips, right ?

Sam Kapasi · 18th June 2007, 23:03

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Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

and some also says that FM is better because of the beats in it.

Bring these people to me and I will beat them up with multiple beats.

low_bass_makker · 18th June 2007, 23:32

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Originally Posted by esteem_lover

So you are admitting that Xplod speakers are pretty good at showing up the difference in quality of rips, right ?

no it is not like that....ok tell me some thing...what difference would be there in this picture if enlarged in good resolution and the original master piece

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Bring these people to me and I will beat them up with multiple beats.

hahaha sure Sam Bhai I will do that

esteem_lover · 18th June 2007, 23:52

This pic was replicated with a Sony digicam, right ?

Only it might look better than the original. LOL

navin · 19th June 2007, 00:11

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

And neither do you need great equipment, you could hear the difference even on Xplod speakers!

Sam even on a plain old set of PC speakers one can tell between FLAC/WAVPACK and LAME-APE MP3s. The difference between CD and FLAC/WAVPACK is not noticeable to me (atleast on my PC speakers) but I have not tried this on real speakers.

low_bass_makker · 19th June 2007, 00:14

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Originally Posted by esteem_lover

This pic was replicated with a Sony digicam, right ?

Only it might look better than the original. LOL

I think you got my point....

esteem_lover · 19th June 2007, 00:33

Thank you LBM ji for the wonderful lesson on art, next time i want to buy Ms. Lisa, i will certainly call on you & you only.
cheers

d.kiran · 19th June 2007, 04:53

Actually I have noticed a lot of people(well my friends at least) having major problems finding the difference between anything encoded at around 160-192 and CD quality.

I found this out when I built my home stereo and wanted to demo to my friends...(A Nad 2 Channel Amp and Klipsch reference speakers ( A weird combination I know..)).

So I figured I would ask my friends to try out using headphones.. At least that should show them right? Hah No luck again (Etymotic and Grado for those interested ;-)).

@Mithun: The bottom line is this: In my opinion the vast majority do not notice the difference between MP3 and higher bitrate/lossless music. If you have heard your music over different setups and if you are happy with it, then it would be better to go with a basic system. That way, you have more to spend on buying more CDs ;-).

Another thing is that Indian recordings are not very good. Heck I find myself trying hard to distinguish between 320kbps AAC and CD at times. Since Mithun's collection is predominantly Indian, I think he should not notice much difference.

vikram18 · 19th June 2007, 12:56

I'll be very basic...If you do spend around 25-30K on Ice, and given your choice of music and preference for treble, I'd risk my neck and say that almost ANYTHING you buy will give you a lot of joy. Try and go for a set of components up front and you'll be in treble heaven on every drive. Enjoy!

Sam Kapasi · 19th June 2007, 13:14

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Originally Posted by d.kiran

Heck I find myself trying hard to distinguish between 320kbps AAC and CD at times. Since Mithun's collection is predominantly Indian, I think he should not notice much difference.

Hey Kiran, there is a HUGE difference between a 320AAC (Pretty darn good, IMO) and 128MP3. If you told me someone had difficulty distinguishing between a 320AAC and WAV, i'd accept that.

Bass&Trouble · 19th June 2007, 13:38

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Originally Posted by esteem_lover

Thank you LBM ji for the wonderful lesson on art, next time i want to buy Ms. Lisa, i will certainly call on you & you only.
cheers

E_L, please remember that the price on the item is very high since it is the limited edition Munni Lisa by 'LBM Da Vinci Singh'. Made in Faridabad. Or photocopied in Faridabad. Whatever.

NOTE: The reference to Singh above is intentional, and the intention is not to malign Singhs in any way.

navin · 19th June 2007, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Hey Kiran, there is a HUGE difference between a 320AAC (Pretty darn good, IMO) and 128MP3. If you told me someone had difficulty distinguishing between a 320AAC and WAV, i'd accept that.

Sam, you have heard my MP3 rips. They might be the best but they are pretty darn good and they were done with the limitation that I had to fit 600CDs into 55.5GB (the space available on a 60GB photo ipod) some 2 years ago.

At that time I also ripped a lossless version of the same CDs using wavpack 4.2 (with EAC).

On my PC speakers I can hear a difference and I did a single blind test.

santosh.s · 19th June 2007, 14:15

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Originally Posted by navin

On my PC speakers I can hear a difference and I did a single blind test.

BTW, what is difference between single versus double blind test?

Sam Kapasi · 19th June 2007, 14:20

In the single blind test, navin keeps one eye covered

18th June 2007, 23:52	#35 (permalink)
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19th June 2007, 00:33	#38 (permalink)
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19th June 2007, 04:53	#39 (permalink)
d.kiran BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 62	Actually I have noticed a lot of people(well my friends at least) having major problems finding the difference between anything encoded at around 160-192 and CD quality. I found this out when I built my home stereo and wanted to demo to my friends...(A Nad 2 Channel Amp and Klipsch reference speakers ( A weird combination I know..)). So I figured I would ask my friends to try out using headphones.. At least that should show them right? Hah No luck again (Etymotic and Grado for those interested ;-)). @Mithun: The bottom line is this: In my opinion the vast majority do not notice the difference between MP3 and higher bitrate/lossless music. If you have heard your music over different setups and if you are happy with it, then it would be better to go with a basic system. That way, you have more to spend on buying more CDs ;-). Another thing is that Indian recordings are not very good. Heck I find myself trying hard to distinguish between 320kbps AAC and CD at times. Since Mithun's collection is predominantly Indian, I think he should not notice much difference.

19th June 2007, 12:56	#40 (permalink)
vikram18 BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: pune Posts: 418 View My Garage	I'll be very basic...If you do spend around 25-30K on Ice, and given your choice of music and preference for treble, I'd risk my neck and say that almost ANYTHING you buy will give you a lot of joy. Try and go for a set of components up front and you'll be in treble heaven on every drive. Enjoy!