Santro ICE - Installation & Tuning Queries

low_bass_makker · 18th February 2009, 09:21

I think it is a little dirt in the amp switches which sometimes causes this type of interference. Try cleaning/fiddle with the amp/switches and then check.

nura · 2nd March 2009, 22:42

I have not been able to install the mono amp as yet so the 2nd power cable remains unterminated. Today while I was listening to a CD, I happened to blow the horn & the music stopped for a few seconds & then restarted but not from the same spot. It went to the beginning of the song!
Did this also happen because of the unterminated wire acting as an antenna or is there some other problem somewhere?
Looking forward to your replies,
nura.

razor4077 · 2nd March 2009, 23:18

Doc, I think your ICE is hinting that you get that new car you were talking about

Seriously though, I think you should get your wiring checked once, starting with the horn.
Then try a process of elimination - connect each ICE component one by one to see if any of their wires is the culprit. I know this sounds very rudimentary, but it helped me sort out some wiring issues in my car.
We should catch up sometime - would love to see/hear the new mono.

hydrashok · 3rd March 2009, 08:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by nura

I have not been able to install the mono amp as yet so the 2nd power cable remains unterminated. Today while I was listening to a CD, I happened to blow the horn & the music stopped for a few seconds & then restarted but not from the same spot. It went to the beginning of the song!

This suggests that the issue could be with the HU (or the wiring harness behind the HU) and not with anything else. Even if the power had got cut off from the HU for some reason, the song should have resumed from the spot where it stopped (when the HU restarted). If it restarted from the beginning, there must be something wrong at the HU end,or with the wiring harness behind the HU.

Would you be able to try removing the HU, pulling the harness off and snapping it back in, and then listening to music? If that doesn't solve the issue, will you be able to try with another HU, just to see if the problem disappears?

nura · 7th March 2009, 14:10

Thanks razor4077 & hydrashok for your suggestions. My harness is indeed a weak link as its wires are pretty flimsy. Are there any branded wiring harnesses available & how much would they cost? Someone told me that the harness for the Santro Zip Plus is different from the Santro Xing. Is this true?
Where in Kolkata should I look for a good harness for my car?
I am hoping to get my new amp installed on Holi day.
Thanks in advance.

DerAlte · 7th March 2009, 18:17

Harness flimsy? Nah, 'tagda' wires and connectors would be an overkill for the current that flows for the signals. The culprits for most problems is normally a bad/loose contact or an improperly mated connector.

If the problem is not occurring frequently, don't think of making changes. Just check for loose connections.

nura · 7th March 2009, 22:28

Thanks, DerAlte. Yes, I'll probably not do anything till the mono amp is installed. Let us see what happens after that.
Just for my information, though, how much does a wiring harness cost these days? I paid 100 bucks for mine, 6 years ago.
nura.

gunbir · 8th March 2009, 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by nura

Thanks razor4077 & hydrashok for your suggestions. My harness is indeed a weak link as its wires are pretty flimsy. Are there any branded wiring harnesses available & how much would they cost? Someone told me that the harness for the Santro Zip Plus is different from the Santro Xing. Is this true?
Where in Kolkata should I look for a good harness for my car?
I am hoping to get my new amp installed on Holi day.
Thanks in advance.

Blaupunkt has a very nice harness for Santro for about Rs 400. Contact your nearest Blau dealer.

nura · 8th March 2009, 13:31

Thanks, Gunbir. I had checked with the Blaupunkt distributor in Kolkata some time ago. At that time he had the Xing harness but not the Zip Plus one. I will check again. Maybe I can place an order.

muneemmk · 8th March 2009, 13:35

My JVC headunit used to have the same problem,i.e whenever the horn is used the whole HU restarts , first we thought the problem could be with the wiring harness,but later we traced it back to the HU itself,so got rid of and got myself a pioneer 5650.

nura · 9th March 2009, 22:26

That's rather scary, but thanks, muneemmk, for sharing your experience.

nura · 11th March 2009, 14:57

A very happy Holi to everyone. I utilized the holiday to install the mono amp in the morning. I don't know if the horn-related problem is solved or not, since I haven't taken the car out of the garage. But the sub is, certainly, sounding a lot better.

nura · 27th March 2009, 23:46

Just wanted to report that, after installing the mono amp, the horn-related noise disappeared completely.
The sub is sounding really good now. As of now, it's wired to show 4 Ohms but just to satisfy my curiosity, one of these days I'm going to wire it to show 1 Ohm & see what happens.
I don't suppose I could do anything with the following.
One pair of free preouts (rear) on the HU
One pair of RCA cables
One free channel (sub) on the old amp
Thanks, all, for your help.

jobinjv · 27th May 2009, 20:06

I was thinking of a small upgrade to my ICE and didn't want to start a new thread so querying here.

My present setup is
Pioneer DEH-P5050UB
Hertz 6.5 Componets (front, think it is DSK 165)
Hertz DCX 690 Co-Axs (Rear)

Though I am mightily pleased with the sound I would like to add a lil more to it. I was thinking of adding a sub but something underseat 'cos I don't wan to loose any of the boot space.

I did a lot of searching here and came up with Hertz ES 250.
Is it good ?

Can it go under seat ?
What should be the box dimension ?
Vented or Sealed ?
Which amp can go with it ?

If someone can recommend something that is less costing but equally good it would be so welcome.

nura · 16th December 2009, 20:18

I had sent the car to the workshop to sort out a knocking problem. I had removed the sub from the vehicle to give the mechanics access to the fuel-pump. They replaced the air and fuel filters, cleaned the fuel-pump & did an engine tune-up. The knocking is gone but when I re-connected the sub & switched on the HU, the display came on but there was no sound from any of the speakers. The display showed the name of the 1st track on the CD (car had gone to workshop with CD inside HU) but track play time stayed at 0.
I ejected the CD and re-inserted it. Normally the HU comes on when I do this, but it did not and I had to start it manually. Same result, no sound, display ok, track play time remains stuck at 0.
I switched to radio and was relieved to hear the system start playing normally. I switched back to CD and the CD started playing normally too.
I am left wondering what could have wrong temporarily and how I can prevent this from recurring. I have removed the sub each time the car went for a service but never faced this problem.
My thanks in advance for your replies.

18th February 2009, 09:21	#166
low_bass_makker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 6,802 Thanked: 218 Times View My Garage	I think it is a little dirt in the amp switches which sometimes causes this type of interference. Try cleaning/fiddle with the amp/switches and then check.
	() Thanks

2nd March 2009, 22:42	#167
nura BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kolkata Posts: 574 Thanked: 6 Times	I have not been able to install the mono amp as yet so the 2nd power cable remains unterminated. Today while I was listening to a CD, I happened to blow the horn & the music stopped for a few seconds & then restarted but not from the same spot. It went to the beginning of the song! Did this also happen because of the unterminated wire acting as an antenna or is there some other problem somewhere? Looking forward to your replies, nura.
	() Thanks

2nd March 2009, 23:18	#168
razor4077 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kolkata Posts: 1,724 Thanked: 35 Times View My Garage	Doc, I think your ICE is hinting that you get that new car you were talking about Seriously though, I think you should get your wiring checked once, starting with the horn. Then try a process of elimination - connect each ICE component one by one to see if any of their wires is the culprit. I know this sounds very rudimentary, but it helped me sort out some wiring issues in my car. We should catch up sometime - would love to see/hear the new mono.
	() Thanks

7th March 2009, 14:10	#170
nura BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kolkata Posts: 574 Thanked: 6 Times	Thanks razor4077 & hydrashok for your suggestions. My harness is indeed a weak link as its wires are pretty flimsy. Are there any branded wiring harnesses available & how much would they cost? Someone told me that the harness for the Santro Zip Plus is different from the Santro Xing. Is this true? Where in Kolkata should I look for a good harness for my car? I am hoping to get my new amp installed on Holi day. Thanks in advance.
	() Thanks

7th March 2009, 18:17	#171
DerAlte Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 6,181 Thanked: 965 Times	Harness flimsy? Nah, 'tagda' wires and connectors would be an overkill for the current that flows for the signals. The culprits for most problems is normally a bad/loose contact or an improperly mated connector. If the problem is not occurring frequently, don't think of making changes. Just check for loose connections.
	() Thanks

7th March 2009, 22:28	#172
nura BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kolkata Posts: 574 Thanked: 6 Times	Thanks, DerAlte. Yes, I'll probably not do anything till the mono amp is installed. Let us see what happens after that. Just for my information, though, how much does a wiring harness cost these days? I paid 100 bucks for mine, 6 years ago. nura.
	() Thanks

8th March 2009, 13:31	#174
nura BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kolkata Posts: 574 Thanked: 6 Times	Thanks, Gunbir. I had checked with the Blaupunkt distributor in Kolkata some time ago. At that time he had the Xing harness but not the Zip Plus one. I will check again. Maybe I can place an order.
	() Thanks

8th March 2009, 13:35	#175
muneemmk BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cochin Posts: 805 Thanked: Once View My Garage	My JVC headunit used to have the same problem,i.e whenever the horn is used the whole HU restarts , first we thought the problem could be with the wiring harness,but later we traced it back to the HU itself,so got rid of and got myself a pioneer 5650.
	() Thanks

9th March 2009, 22:26	#176
nura BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kolkata Posts: 574 Thanked: 6 Times	That's rather scary, but thanks, muneemmk, for sharing your experience.
	() Thanks

11th March 2009, 14:57	#177
nura BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kolkata Posts: 574 Thanked: 6 Times	A very happy Holi to everyone. I utilized the holiday to install the mono amp in the morning. I don't know if the horn-related problem is solved or not, since I haven't taken the car out of the garage. But the sub is, certainly, sounding a lot better.
	() Thanks

27th March 2009, 23:46	#178
nura BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kolkata Posts: 574 Thanked: 6 Times	Just wanted to report that, after installing the mono amp, the horn-related noise disappeared completely. The sub is sounding really good now. As of now, it's wired to show 4 Ohms but just to satisfy my curiosity, one of these days I'm going to wire it to show 1 Ohm & see what happens. I don't suppose I could do anything with the following. One pair of free preouts (rear) on the HU One pair of RCA cables One free channel (sub) on the old amp Thanks, all, for your help.
	() Thanks

27th May 2009, 20:06	#179
jobinjv BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chennai, Thiruvalla Posts: 108 Thanked: Once	I was thinking of a small upgrade to my ICE and didn't want to start a new thread so querying here. My present setup is Pioneer DEH-P5050UB Hertz 6.5 Componets (front, think it is DSK 165) Hertz DCX 690 Co-Axs (Rear) Though I am mightily pleased with the sound I would like to add a lil more to it. I was thinking of adding a sub but something underseat 'cos I don't wan to loose any of the boot space. I did a lot of searching here and came up with Hertz ES 250. Is it good ? Can it go under seat ? What should be the box dimension ? Vented or Sealed ? Which amp can go with it ? If someone can recommend something that is less costing but equally good it would be so welcome.
	() Thanks

16th December 2009, 20:18	#180
nura BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kolkata Posts: 574 Thanked: 6 Times	I had sent the car to the workshop to sort out a knocking problem. I had removed the sub from the vehicle to give the mechanics access to the fuel-pump. They replaced the air and fuel filters, cleaned the fuel-pump & did an engine tune-up. The knocking is gone but when I re-connected the sub & switched on the HU, the display came on but there was no sound from any of the speakers. The display showed the name of the 1st track on the CD (car had gone to workshop with CD inside HU) but track play time stayed at 0. I ejected the CD and re-inserted it. Normally the HU comes on when I do this, but it did not and I had to start it manually. Same result, no sound, display ok, track play time remains stuck at 0. I switched to radio and was relieved to hear the system start playing normally. I switched back to CD and the CD started playing normally too. I am left wondering what could have wrong temporarily and how I can prevent this from recurring. I have removed the sub each time the car went for a service but never faced this problem. My thanks in advance for your replies.
	() Thanks

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