Crazy Idea - Direct connection to Amp (no HU) - Will it work?!? - Page 5 - Team-BHP

vebmetal · 2nd October 2007, 23:14

ok..... this is the part I lose what the hell you guys are talking about and come back to the point that for me it is a jugaad in the sense that I am not a professional or hobby electronic enthusiast. I tried my hand at soldering once and failed miserably. So I don't want to solder anything anywhere, or trust anyone else here to really do it.

What I was saying, anup, was that I don't want a 'home remedy' to fix this problem, but am comfortable using say a device that is manufactured by a reputable company to do what you describe (which btw I still do not understand!)

So could you describe what it is that you are saying in plain English

and further, suggest a solution that a lay person can employ.

Sam Kapasi · 2nd October 2007, 23:17

Veb, please. Just connect the headphone out to the amplifier using a good cable, it will work well.

vebmetal · 2nd October 2007, 23:35

Thanks, Sam! That is really all I want to hear

Done and done.

anupmathur · 3rd October 2007, 08:50

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Originally Posted by vebmetal

So could you describe what it is that you are saying in plain English and further, suggest a solution that a lay person can employ.

O.K. Here goes - straight from the boss:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Veb, please. Just connect the headphone out to the amplifier using a good cable, it will work well.

Sam Kapasi · 3rd October 2007, 10:33

lol, I'm no boss anup. Just a firm believer in K.I.S.S.

anupmathur · 3rd October 2007, 10:44

So tell me. 'cause I'm a firm believer in Pink Floyd!
OK, no kidding. I know you don't mean the band.
What does K.I.S.S. stand for...??

Sam Kapasi · 3rd October 2007, 10:50

Here you go, from wikipedia .

Quote:

The term KISS is an acronym of the phrase "Keep It Simple, Stupid", and the KISS principle states that design simplicity should be a key goal and unnecessary complexity avoided. It serves as a useful and frequent verbal exhortation (or even dedicated policy) in software development, animation, engineering, and in strategic planning (especially military operations). Other versions of the phrase include "Keep It Simple & Stupid" (most recently used in west-European literature), "Keep It Sweet & Simple," "Keep It Short & Simple," "Keep it Simple, Sweetheart," and "Keep it Simple, Sherlock," and the obvious scatological variation.

anupmathur · 3rd October 2007, 11:17

Thanks.
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navin · 3rd October 2007, 14:04

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Originally Posted by vebmetal

And would there be any advantage of going with a 100mV input sensitivity amp as opposed to a 200mV or 300mV one?

Also, the blaupunkt installer had said that the higher the pre-out voltage of the audio device, the better the sound I would get. He said ideally it should be upwards of 2V.

Your Blau dealer is right. The higher the Signal level you can derive from your MP3 player the less noisy it will be. If your signal level is low (200-300mv) range your cable runs will have to be well planned and short (think 1.5m). With higher signal levels your install is less suseptible.

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Originally Posted by anupmathur

In fact, I'm only answering this as (being a national holiday) it seems that Navin and Sam have headed out already to the neighbourhood pub for their evening W & S!
In case your MP3 player does not have a line out but has only the headphones out, you might need to 'load' your output with an appropriate resistor (8 ohms or 32 ohms, 1/2 W) to achieve best performance.

Sorry for not being available. Ipods have a line out only one needs an adapter to convert this to a standard EP female socket.

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Originally Posted by vebmetal

My mp3 player only has a headphone jack. I haven't seen any mp3 player with a line-out..

Ipods have a line out. Some time back I connected my nephew's ipod via a cheap YES dock to his car stereo.

navin · 3rd October 2007, 14:11

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Originally Posted by anupmathur

That's why I mentioned the 32 ohms resistor. And for that matter there are some at 600 ohms too.Again, I have said the same. But there ARE those cases.

I've seen 'phones with impedances as high as 2000 ohms.

Correction: I have opened up and messed with 'phones with impedances as high as 2k :-)! Sennheisser HD 414 I think they were. Senn's 424 were also 2k.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vebmetal

My mp3 player only has a headphone jack. I haven't seen any mp3 player with a line-out..

which MP3 player do you have?

anupmathur · 3rd October 2007, 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by navin

I've seen 'phones with impedances as high as 2000 ohms.
Correction: I have opened up and messed with 'phones with impedances as high as 2k :-)! Sennheisser HD 414 I think they were.

No Navin, certainly not the HD414s. I think they were 32 or 52; can't remember.

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Originally Posted by navin

Sorry for not being available.

Was my guess bang on or not?! C'mon, please do tell!

vebmetal · 3rd October 2007, 19:03

I have the Creative Zen Xtra - it's a really old player unfortunately, and it's due for an upgrade. I don't really like any player in the market right now though - they just aren't innovating much. (But I plan to check out the new Zune 2s online today).

So here's what the final setup is looking like. I plan on buying everything with B&W.

Front components: Hertz DSK165
Speaker cabling: Connection Audison
Amp: Blaupunkt GTA 2 Special MK II (2 Channels)
Amp Cabling: Tsunami

Final thoughts / suggestions / price recommendations?

navin · 4th October 2007, 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by anupmathur

No Navin, certainly not the HD414s. I think they were 32 or 52; can't remember.

Was my guess bang on or not?! C'mon, please do tell!

later versions of the 414 were 52 ohms (boy you remember well) but the earlier versions were 2k. we used to make small amps out of BD139/140 to drive them.

I spend my holidays with my son.

anupmathur · 4th October 2007, 14:19

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Originally Posted by navin

I spend my holidays with my son.

Osh Kosh B Gosh!! He's off to an early start! Wish I had a Dad like that!

But, but, thank the lord me dad never used germaniums! (I think these were germaniums?).

DerAlte · 4th October 2007, 15:53

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Originally Posted by anupmathur

But, but, thank the lord me dad never used germaniums! (I think these were germaniums?).

Ama Mathur sahab, what's with germaniums and silicons? That also in relation to your pitashri?

And where did you expect @veb to find 8 or 32ohm resistors? Had he gone for it, he would have landed up using 3 or 5 resistors just to get those values.

There must be something in the air today - you are sending everyone on 'jangli batakh ke peechhey daud's.

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Originally Posted by vebmetal

(But I plan to check out the new Zune 2s online today).

Lo kallo baat! Bhaya, you should buy hardware from hardware-wallahs, not software-wallahs!

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vebmetal BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 741	ok..... this is the part I lose what the hell you guys are talking about and come back to the point that for me it is a jugaad in the sense that I am not a professional or hobby electronic enthusiast. I tried my hand at soldering once and failed miserably. So I don't want to solder anything anywhere, or trust anyone else here to really do it. What I was saying, anup, was that I don't want a 'home remedy' to fix this problem, but am comfortable using say a device that is manufactured by a reputable company to do what you describe (which btw I still do not understand!) So could you describe what it is that you are saying in plain English and further, suggest a solution that a lay person can employ. Last edited by aah78 : 4th October 2007 at 22:19. Reason: extra smiley(s) removed

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Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bombay (but watch this space) Posts: 7,211 View My Garage	Veb, please. Just connect the headphone out to the amplifier using a good cable, it will work well. __________________ Live the YetiLife®

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Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bombay (but watch this space) Posts: 7,211 View My Garage	lol, I'm no boss anup. Just a firm believer in K.I.S.S. __________________ Live the YetiLife®

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vebmetal BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 741	I have the Creative Zen Xtra - it's a really old player unfortunately, and it's due for an upgrade. I don't really like any player in the market right now though - they just aren't innovating much. (But I plan to check out the new Zune 2s online today). So here's what the final setup is looking like. I plan on buying everything with B&W. Front components: Hertz DSK165 Speaker cabling: Connection Audison Amp: Blaupunkt GTA 2 Special MK II (2 Channels) Amp Cabling: Tsunami Final thoughts / suggestions / price recommendations?