ICE for Laura DSG - Team-BHP

navpreet318 · 11th November 2007, 00:49

hey people,

after a long long session of brain storming and test drives

i've just booked a laura dsg.

this was partly because my baby sister has a lot of say in the family and she simply loves the laura.so over-priced or not laura's the one.

so i am planning to change the ice setup.
i want a SQ setup.

the laura takes in a 3 way setup in the front and real doors.

fronts getting 6.5" woofer,3" mid and 1"tweeter

likeways for the rear with the diff being a 5.25" woofer.

now the route i am planning might be a bit different.

this is what i have in mind.

1.connect the 4 woofers seperately to a 4 channel amp in with a low pass filter.to deliver the lows say 100-200hz

2.connect the four 3" mids and tweeters to another 4 channel amp in an above 200hz filter through a crossover.

3.use a mono sub amp to power a small 8" sub to deliver tight crist bass without sounding loud.

won't be hearing very very loud.

just occasionally turning it up for my fav songs.

mostly i like vocals.with tight base.

i don't like brightness.tend to give me a pain in the ear.

now i have selected hertz seperate components to use in the install.
hv 165L
hv 130
hL 70
ht 25

hx 200 in a tuned for tight bass box
or if budget permits
a ML 2500.1

now are there crossovers available seperately or are the in built on the amps to cover the different frequencies

sub: 30-100hz
woofers: 100-200hz
mids & tweeters:200-22khz

i will be keeping the stock HU so i would be needing an amp with high level inputs.

maybe the audison Lrx series.-4.1k

what do you say about this plan.

how would the system sound if i use a 2 way 5.25" component in the rear speakers.

this way i could save on one amp too.

any and all suggestions are very much welcome as i am a novice at this and have only superficial knowledge

prices of the above components would be essential as they will be the deciding factor.

looking forward to inputs from all ICE enthusiasts and gurus.

Autophile · 11th November 2007, 11:30

Congratulations Navpreet for your Laura.

And regarding the ICE you have listed quite an elaborate setup.

The Hertz components you have selected are straight fit in Laura stock locations. I believe DSG comes only in L&K trim which has got 3 -Way in the front (6.5") and rear (5.25").

If you intend to keep your stock unit. Then I would recommend that you go for the passive sets HSK 163 (HT 25 + HL 70 + HV165L) for the front and with HV130 for the rear. If you drive on your own you can go for cheaper option of 2-Way HSK 130 in the rear doors.

This way you will save a lot of money on the amplification as you need only one 4 channel amplifer.

The way you have mentioned it is expensive (more amplifiers, more cables) and does not offer you any advantage over the passive setup. You need multiple channels of amplification with mandatory bandpass filter for midrange driver. The cheapest option will be 2 X LRx 6.9's, one for the front stage and the other for rear. Hence stick to passives powered by 4 channel amplifer like LRx 4.1K

For subwoofer section I would recommend minimum 12" Subwoofer running off an LRx 1.1K or LRx 2.9 (Bridged) depending upon subwoofer choice and coil configuration. For subwoofer level control you need Audison VCRA.

All LRx amplifiers have speaker level inputs and preamp outputs.

navpreet318 · 11th November 2007, 15:46

well just went through the prices in some uk sites.everything i planned has gone out of the door.

it seems that it'll be better if i use a passive 3 way in the front (HT 25 + HL 70 + HV165L) and a 2 way rear (HSK 130)

that way one 4 channel can power in this order:

front channels:HT25+HL 70+HV165L with a passive crossover
rear channels: hsk 130

and the sub can be powered via a mono amp.

i think this is just what autophile just said in the above post and i just rephrased it.

just checked out the prices of the lrx series in a uk site.man! they're so damn expensive.

can you help me out with some other high level input amplifier.something in the range of 20k for the 4 channel and 20k for the mono.

suddenly the GTO 75.4 is coming again and again in my mind.too bad its gone.

i haven't heard that amp.
if the 75.4 can be comparable to a 20k four channel then let me know where can i get a left over.preferably around delhi.

i'm looking to a budget of approx 80k +- a little bit.

help me out guys.

navpreet318 · 11th November 2007, 15:49

i'm so confused now that i'm looking at other speaker ranges too.

the infinity reference series is good too.i have that in my swift. they sound very very good and i think the kappa series isn't too expensive too.

i'm going bonkers. next i'm gonna be surfing the sony site.

so help people!

montyguru · 11th November 2007, 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by navpreet318

i'm so confused now that i'm looking at other speaker ranges too.

the infinity reference series is good too.i have that in my swift. they sound very very good and i think the kappa series isn't too expensive too.

i'm going bonkers. next i'm gonna be surfing the sony site.

so help people!

great. go to onlinecarstereo.com, crutchfield.com and get more confused. sony doesn't have 3-way at least in the india line up.

clipto333 · 11th November 2007, 18:24

hi,

you have made an excellent choice of getting the hertz hi-energy components and audison amps.

in 80k i would suggest you get the 3ways for fronts and 2 ways for the rear. get the audison srx amplifier. a mono with a 4 channel or a 5ch amp. and get a 12" sub as an 8" will be too small for the laura. a 12" in a sealed enclosure will be nice and tight.

please keep a budget for wiring and install. connection audison are good quality wires.

do listen to other brands before deciding.

cheers
clip

navpreet318 · 11th November 2007, 19:14

other brands is exactly what i am thinking.

the Lrx series seems to be out of my budget.

how is infinity reference series compared to the sxr of audison.
the prices seem to be reasonable.

especially the mono ref611a and the ref7541 or the ref475a

also the infinity kappa 1.7cs seems to be a good 3 way.

if anyone knows the exact price of the same please let me know.

navpreet318 · 11th November 2007, 19:16

also do only the audison range have high level inputs.

how are other amplifiers connected through high level inputs.

navpreet318 · 11th November 2007, 20:25

ok so here is another tentative list-

infinity kappa 1.7cs 3-way components
infinity kappa perfect 12.1 subwoofer
infinity reference 611a amplifier
infinity reference 7541a amplifier

so can any one let me know the prices of these components.

low_bass_makker · 11th November 2007, 23:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by navpreet318

ok so here is another tentative list-

infinity kappa 1.7cs 3-way components
infinity kappa perfect 12.1 subwoofer
infinity reference 611a amplifier
infinity reference 7541a amplifier

so can any one let me know the prices of these components.

Nice equipment which is priced quite good and sounds good also...and that to in your budget.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

The picture i posted.. that is the Kappa 1.7CS, this is for 17,990/- with BW

There is also the Kappa 1.5CS this has a 6X9" woofer along with 4" midrange and tweeters. This is also for 17,990/-

Prices and specs of the Infinity amps...not the same model you mentioned. but will do fine in your case..

Quote:

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

they are Ref475a (Rs 14990) and the Ref1600a (Rs 19990)

Infinity - Car Audio

Infinity - Car Audio

gunbir · 12th November 2007, 00:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by navpreet318

infinity kappa 1.7cs 3-way components
infinity kappa perfect 12.1 subwoofer

Those Infinity Kappa Perfects are nice speakers. Just ensure you will be able to fit the 4" midrange in the stock location. As far as I can recall, the stock Laura 3 way uses a 3" cone midrange. So do your homework before you buy.

ScarySkulls · 12th November 2007, 07:45

Oh my dear dear old friend Navpreet. Congratulations for the Laura DSG. Glad you picked that car over Skoda RS. I'm happy sense prevailed and you said a Firm NO to the "Slush Engine".

Anyways. Very good choice of equipment. I'm impressed with your homework, as always.

Enjoy the stock Laura ICE for a little while till you do your homework well. Keep off your money spending untill you do a well enough demo of your selected brands and have compared them well to the Stock ICE in laura. (which is pretty good anyways)

You can call me anytime you want and eat my head for discussion on ICE, just like I eat yours for discussion on superbikes. haha.

navpreet318 · 12th November 2007, 09:48

alright gunbir i had thought that that 1.7cs uses a 3" mid.

if its a 4" then its out of the equation then.

well rajat thats what i'm planning. run the car stock till december-jan starting.

make a trip to delhi in jan first week or so and get some work done on it.

i'll have a discussion with you soon enough.

gunbir i was actually planning to get the install done from you in delhi.i know how shoddy the work is in dehradun.i would never get it done here.

i'm in the planning stages right now.setting the budget for different things like performance mods,ICE and other mods.

can you suggest any other SQ combo which will stay in this budget and be a substancial upgrade on the stock ice.

gunbir · 12th November 2007, 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by navpreet318

can you suggest any other SQ combo which will stay in this budget and be a substancial upgrade on the stock ice.

Well Navpreet your budget is fine more or less. Its just that there aren't many brands available in India that have a direct replacement for your stock speakers. In most cases you will have to do some mods / cutting on your door panels.

Go for a multichannel amp as that will help conserve space and cabling. There are many amps that have high level inputs now.

It would help us to know your listening preferences like how much bass you like etc.

navpreet318 · 12th November 2007, 10:34

well i don't like too much bass .
love hearing good music with vocals.where every thing is in perfect coordination.

i haven't heard too many speaker systems but to give you an example i love the bose wave radio.it have perfect everything an less of treble.

so cut it short i like bass which supports the music and does not over ride it.and i don't like treble at all.gives me a big headache.

and what ever bass is there should be tight and punchy.not fluffly.it should be there in extremely short bursts.

that is why i was initially looking for small 8" sub which would run in coordination with the rest of the music and not over power the music with its bass.

bass should be there where its originally meant to be.

i have seen and owned systems which put bass even in the non bass songs. and i don't like that.

thats a long detail.hehe.

11th November 2007, 00:49	#1 (permalink)
navpreet318 BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dehradun Posts: 446	ICE for Laura DSG hey people, after a long long session of brain storming and test drives i've just booked a laura dsg. this was partly because my baby sister has a lot of say in the family and she simply loves the laura.so over-priced or not laura's the one. so i am planning to change the ice setup. i want a SQ setup. the laura takes in a 3 way setup in the front and real doors. fronts getting 6.5" woofer,3" mid and 1"tweeter likeways for the rear with the diff being a 5.25" woofer. now the route i am planning might be a bit different. this is what i have in mind. 1.connect the 4 woofers seperately to a 4 channel amp in with a low pass filter.to deliver the lows say 100-200hz 2.connect the four 3" mids and tweeters to another 4 channel amp in an above 200hz filter through a crossover. 3.use a mono sub amp to power a small 8" sub to deliver tight crist bass without sounding loud. won't be hearing very very loud. just occasionally turning it up for my fav songs. mostly i like vocals.with tight base. i don't like brightness.tend to give me a pain in the ear. now i have selected hertz seperate components to use in the install. hv 165L hv 130 hL 70 ht 25 hx 200 in a tuned for tight bass box or if budget permits a ML 2500.1 now are there crossovers available seperately or are the in built on the amps to cover the different frequencies sub: 30-100hz woofers: 100-200hz mids & tweeters:200-22khz i will be keeping the stock HU so i would be needing an amp with high level inputs. maybe the audison Lrx series.-4.1k what do you say about this plan. how would the system sound if i use a 2 way 5.25" component in the rear speakers. this way i could save on one amp too. any and all suggestions are very much welcome as i am a novice at this and have only superficial knowledge prices of the above components would be essential as they will be the deciding factor. looking forward to inputs from all ICE enthusiasts and gurus.

11th November 2007, 11:30	#2 (permalink)
Autophile BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 948	Congratulations Navpreet for your Laura. And regarding the ICE you have listed quite an elaborate setup. The Hertz components you have selected are straight fit in Laura stock locations. I believe DSG comes only in L&K trim which has got 3 -Way in the front (6.5") and rear (5.25"). If you intend to keep your stock unit. Then I would recommend that you go for the passive sets HSK 163 (HT 25 + HL 70 + HV165L) for the front and with HV130 for the rear. If you drive on your own you can go for cheaper option of 2-Way HSK 130 in the rear doors. This way you will save a lot of money on the amplification as you need only one 4 channel amplifer. The way you have mentioned it is expensive (more amplifiers, more cables) and does not offer you any advantage over the passive setup. You need multiple channels of amplification with mandatory bandpass filter for midrange driver. The cheapest option will be 2 X LRx 6.9's, one for the front stage and the other for rear. Hence stick to passives powered by 4 channel amplifer like LRx 4.1K For subwoofer section I would recommend minimum 12" Subwoofer running off an LRx 1.1K or LRx 2.9 (Bridged) depending upon subwoofer choice and coil configuration. For subwoofer level control you need Audison VCRA. All LRx amplifiers have speaker level inputs and preamp outputs. __________________ Danes Don't Lie ! Last edited by Autophile : 11th November 2007 at 11:33.

12th November 2007, 07:45	#12 (permalink)
ScarySkulls BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Halifax, N.S. Posts: 579	Oh my dear dear old friend Navpreet. Congratulations for the Laura DSG. Glad you picked that car over Skoda RS. I'm happy sense prevailed and you said a Firm NO to the "Slush Engine". Anyways. Very good choice of equipment. I'm impressed with your homework, as always. Enjoy the stock Laura ICE for a little while till you do your homework well. Keep off your money spending untill you do a well enough demo of your selected brands and have compared them well to the Stock ICE in laura. (which is pretty good anyways) You can call me anytime you want and eat my head for discussion on ICE, just like I eat yours for discussion on superbikes. haha. Last edited by ScarySkulls : 12th November 2007 at 07:48.

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11th November 2007, 15:46	#3 (permalink)
navpreet318 BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dehradun Posts: 446	well just went through the prices in some uk sites.everything i planned has gone out of the door. it seems that it'll be better if i use a passive 3 way in the front (HT 25 + HL 70 + HV165L) and a 2 way rear (HSK 130) that way one 4 channel can power in this order: front channels:HT25+HL 70+HV165L with a passive crossover rear channels: hsk 130 and the sub can be powered via a mono amp. i think this is just what autophile just said in the above post and i just rephrased it. just checked out the prices of the lrx series in a uk site.man! they're so damn expensive. can you help me out with some other high level input amplifier.something in the range of 20k for the 4 channel and 20k for the mono. suddenly the GTO 75.4 is coming again and again in my mind.too bad its gone. i haven't heard that amp. if the 75.4 can be comparable to a 20k four channel then let me know where can i get a left over.preferably around delhi. i'm looking to a budget of approx 80k +- a little bit. help me out guys.

11th November 2007, 15:49	#4 (permalink)
navpreet318 BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dehradun Posts: 446	i'm so confused now that i'm looking at other speaker ranges too. the infinity reference series is good too.i have that in my swift. they sound very very good and i think the kappa series isn't too expensive too. i'm going bonkers. next i'm gonna be surfing the sony site. so help people!

11th November 2007, 18:24	#6 (permalink)
clipto333 BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: jalandhar Posts: 912 View My Garage	hi, you have made an excellent choice of getting the hertz hi-energy components and audison amps. in 80k i would suggest you get the 3ways for fronts and 2 ways for the rear. get the audison srx amplifier. a mono with a 4 channel or a 5ch amp. and get a 12" sub as an 8" will be too small for the laura. a 12" in a sealed enclosure will be nice and tight. please keep a budget for wiring and install. connection audison are good quality wires. do listen to other brands before deciding. cheers clip

11th November 2007, 19:14	#7 (permalink)
navpreet318 BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dehradun Posts: 446	other brands is exactly what i am thinking. the Lrx series seems to be out of my budget. how is infinity reference series compared to the sxr of audison. the prices seem to be reasonable. especially the mono ref611a and the ref7541 or the ref475a also the infinity kappa 1.7cs seems to be a good 3 way. if anyone knows the exact price of the same please let me know.

11th November 2007, 19:16	#8 (permalink)
navpreet318 BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dehradun Posts: 446	also do only the audison range have high level inputs. how are other amplifiers connected through high level inputs.

11th November 2007, 20:25	#9 (permalink)
navpreet318 BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dehradun Posts: 446	ok so here is another tentative list- infinity kappa 1.7cs 3-way components infinity kappa perfect 12.1 subwoofer infinity reference 611a amplifier infinity reference 7541a amplifier so can any one let me know the prices of these components.

12th November 2007, 09:48	#13 (permalink)
navpreet318 BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dehradun Posts: 446	alright gunbir i had thought that that 1.7cs uses a 3" mid. if its a 4" then its out of the equation then. well rajat thats what i'm planning. run the car stock till december-jan starting. make a trip to delhi in jan first week or so and get some work done on it. i'll have a discussion with you soon enough. gunbir i was actually planning to get the install done from you in delhi.i know how shoddy the work is in dehradun.i would never get it done here. i'm in the planning stages right now.setting the budget for different things like performance mods,ICE and other mods. can you suggest any other SQ combo which will stay in this budget and be a substancial upgrade on the stock ice.

12th November 2007, 10:34	#15 (permalink)
navpreet318 BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dehradun Posts: 446	well i don't like too much bass . love hearing good music with vocals.where every thing is in perfect coordination. i haven't heard too many speaker systems but to give you an example i love the bose wave radio.it have perfect everything an less of treble. so cut it short i like bass which supports the music and does not over ride it.and i don't like treble at all.gives me a big headache. and what ever bass is there should be tight and punchy.not fluffly.it should be there in extremely short bursts. that is why i was initially looking for small 8" sub which would run in coordination with the rest of the music and not over power the music with its bass. bass should be there where its originally meant to be. i have seen and owned systems which put bass even in the non bass songs. and i don't like that. thats a long detail.hehe.