Problem with Pio HU - Team-BHP

anonymous · 16th November 2007, 13:34

Hi,
I have Pioneer 2950 installed in my car. Today all of sudden sound stopped coming from speakers. There was power in the HU but no sign of any sound from any speakers.
Got all the wiring checked and no issues so finally went to shop to get the HU checked. There guy told me that there is a sound I.C. went dead in the HU and it needs to be replaced. When I asked the reason for it, he said that it happens when you do not have AMP and you are running your speakers directly from power from HU and on very high volume.
Earlier I had only coupld of rear co axials installed and few time I listed on very high volume but never had such issue but later, around two months ago,I got Hertz Compos installed in the front.
Whatever this guy told me, is this true?
Could this be the reason that now all 4 speakers are getting power from HU and overloaded would have caused this sound I.C to blow?
If this is correct, I need to get an amp soon.
Please let me know your views.

mobike008 · 16th November 2007, 13:58

If you were running the HU to your rear coaxial then it shouldn't be the reason for your HU to go kaput.

But, if you got the front comps along with rear speakers being powered with HU and on top of it increase the volumes to insane levels, it certainly will be the reason for it to go dead.

Get an AMP asap !

gbpscars · 16th November 2007, 14:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobike008

If you were running the HU to your rear coaxial then it shouldn't be the reason for your HU to go kaput.

But, if you got the front comps along with rear speakers being powered with HU and on top of it increase the volumes to insane levels, it certainly will be the reason for it to go dead.

Get an AMP asap !

LBM, sam, gunbir / any of the ICE champs comment on this please.

anonymous · 16th November 2007, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobike008

If you were running the HU to your rear coaxial then it shouldn't be the reason for your HU to go kaput.

But, if you got the front comps along with rear speakers being powered with HU and on top of it increase the volumes to insane levels, it certainly will be the reason for it to go dead.

Get an AMP asap !

Thanks Mobike,
So now I am sure that reason for this sound i.c. being blown because of the heavy load of all 4 speakers.
Before getting an amp, I need to get this HU repaired first

jkdas · 16th November 2007, 17:42

thats the 2nd Pio 2950 complaint thats was posted here at tbhp.

mods pls merge the threads.

navin · 17th November 2007, 11:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by anonymous

There guy told me that there is a sound I.C. went dead in the HU and it needs to be replaced. Earlier I had only coupld of rear co axials installed and few time I listed on very high volume but never had such issue but later, around two months ago,I got Hertz Compos installed in the front.

if the 2950 has failed for this reason I suspect a poor 2950. Most HU amps are designed to drive 4 4ohm speakers. Unless there was a short in the wiring I dont think this is really the cause of the HU's IC dying. Anyway before a amp dies it will produce a lot of distortion. as long sa you keep the level to where the sound is clean you will have no problem. if you need louder levels then you need an amp.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkdas

thats the 2nd Pio 2950 complaint thats was posted here at tbhp. mods pls merge the threads.

the othe thread is more of an install issue than a 2950 issue. the install could refer to any HU, it just happened to be a 2950.

anonymous · 19th November 2007, 14:26

So what do you guys suggest?
As I am planning to have an amp soon, should I go for repair of this 2950 or get a new HU like Pio 6950 or something like that.
In case if you suggest a new HU, please suggest a good HU (Please bear in mind that I am tight on budget). My only requirement is MP3 capability.

akg7091 · 19th November 2007, 16:45

I will suggest you get the 4950 if you are getting a new HU. It has 3 preouts so it will be easier to connect it to an amp and have seperate channels for front, rear and sub. It is also very cheap I think. In case you don't get a HU then take care to buy an amp which has line out. This will make it easier to add a new amp later on without using splitters.

mithun · 20th November 2007, 07:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobike008

If you were running the HU to your rear coaxial then it shouldn't be the reason for your HU to go kaput.

But, if you got the front comps along with rear speakers being powered with HU and on top of it increase the volumes to insane levels, it certainly will be the reason for it to go dead.

Get an AMP asap !

Are you saying that in order to run compos(front) & 6x9 coaxials(rear) we should always buy an amp ?

And, the HU shouldn't have busted if there was coaxials(in the front) in the place of compos ?

anupmathur · 20th November 2007, 07:52

I tend to agree with Navin. Playing 4 speakers very loud is unlikely to be the cause for this failure.
And anyway, an amp is never really stressed to it's max at 'very high volume'. Max stress is at about two-thirds of full output. That's where driver and output stages have to dissipate max heat.
Your HU has probably failed due to some other issue, possibly a manufacturing defect like the output chip not being adequately screwed down to the heat sink.
Of course this is all off-the-cuff. We don't even know WHICH chip has failed.

anonymous · 20th November 2007, 21:22

I have given it for repair. Will update you guys soon

anonymous · 14th December 2007, 20:35

Ok. Got it back and paid 700 Rs.

for I.C. too high but didn't say anything as it was repaired by Driven and I trust them completely. It worked for almost 20 days and again the same problem has surfaced.
Sounds like issue with the wiring or something else?

anupmathur · 14th December 2007, 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by anonymous

Driven and I trust them completely. It worked for almost 20 days and again the same problem has surfaced.

Do a serious review on who to trust! You're being let down, mate!

anonymous · 14th December 2007, 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by anupmathur

Do a serious review on who to trust! You're being let down, mate!

Looks like you had dealt with them with not so good feedback?

DerAlte · 15th December 2007, 00:04

Error in logic!

You are trusting that what the service guy said MUST be the problem. For a moment consider the following scenario (no disrespect to the abilities of the service person):
* The service guy did not analyze the problem properly, as easiest solution was also the most obvious w.r.t. the problem
* Incidentally it is NOT the sound IC which is at fault - rather another component responsible for, say, disabling the sound IC
* The other component actually has an intermittent problem. When the problem occurs for that component, it goes to the state that DISABLES the sound IC
* After the sound IC was replaced, incidentally the intermittent problem might have reached the safe state, so the new sound IC was working
* The intermittent problem reappeared later - and now for you the sound IC is not working again

Did the service guy prove to you that the sound IC was blown? Difficult. He perhaps would have very limited means of knowing whether it is actually blown or not.

Did you ask him to explain his logic (or prove it is faulty) with measurement? Most likely that will provoke some logical thinking from him.

Am I providing a solution? Sorry, NO. I am only provoking a different way of thinking.

16th November 2007, 13:34	#1 (permalink)
anonymous BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NCR Posts: 297	Problem with Pio HU Hi, I have Pioneer 2950 installed in my car. Today all of sudden sound stopped coming from speakers. There was power in the HU but no sign of any sound from any speakers. Got all the wiring checked and no issues so finally went to shop to get the HU checked. There guy told me that there is a sound I.C. went dead in the HU and it needs to be replaced. When I asked the reason for it, he said that it happens when you do not have AMP and you are running your speakers directly from power from HU and on very high volume. Earlier I had only coupld of rear co axials installed and few time I listed on very high volume but never had such issue but later, around two months ago,I got Hertz Compos installed in the front. Whatever this guy told me, is this true? Could this be the reason that now all 4 speakers are getting power from HU and overloaded would have caused this sound I.C to blow? If this is correct, I need to get an amp soon. Please let me know your views.

16th November 2007, 13:58	#2 (permalink)
mobike008 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,036 View My Garage	If you were running the HU to your rear coaxial then it shouldn't be the reason for your HU to go kaput. But, if you got the front comps along with rear speakers being powered with HU and on top of it increase the volumes to insane levels, it certainly will be the reason for it to go dead. Get an AMP asap ! __________________ [b][i]The nail that sticks out gets hammered !!!

16th November 2007, 17:42	#5 (permalink)
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapuram Posts: 5,519 View My Garage	thats the 2nd Pio 2950 complaint thats was posted here at tbhp. mods pls merge the threads. __________________ -__-

15th December 2007, 00:04	#15 (permalink)
DerAlte Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,915	Error in logic! You are trusting that what the service guy said MUST be the problem. For a moment consider the following scenario (no disrespect to the abilities of the service person): * The service guy did not analyze the problem properly, as easiest solution was also the most obvious w.r.t. the problem * Incidentally it is NOT the sound IC which is at fault - rather another component responsible for, say, disabling the sound IC * The other component actually has an intermittent problem. When the problem occurs for that component, it goes to the state that DISABLES the sound IC * After the sound IC was replaced, incidentally the intermittent problem might have reached the safe state, so the new sound IC was working * The intermittent problem reappeared later - and now for you the sound IC is not working again Did the service guy prove to you that the sound IC was blown? Difficult. He perhaps would have very limited means of knowing whether it is actually blown or not. Did you ask him to explain his logic (or prove it is faulty) with measurement? Most likely that will provoke some logical thinking from him. Am I providing a solution? Sorry, NO. I am only provoking a different way of thinking. __________________ Never believe it cannot be done - it's only that you haven't found out how!!! Last edited by DerAlte : 15th December 2007 at 00:14.

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19th November 2007, 14:26	#7 (permalink)
anonymous BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NCR Posts: 297	So what do you guys suggest? As I am planning to have an amp soon, should I go for repair of this 2950 or get a new HU like Pio 6950 or something like that. In case if you suggest a new HU, please suggest a good HU (Please bear in mind that I am tight on budget). My only requirement is MP3 capability.

19th November 2007, 16:45	#8 (permalink)
akg7091 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Noida Posts: 163	I will suggest you get the 4950 if you are getting a new HU. It has 3 preouts so it will be easier to connect it to an amp and have seperate channels for front, rear and sub. It is also very cheap I think. In case you don't get a HU then take care to buy an amp which has line out. This will make it easier to add a new amp later on without using splitters.

20th November 2007, 07:52	#10 (permalink)
anupmathur Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 1,500	I tend to agree with Navin. Playing 4 speakers very loud is unlikely to be the cause for this failure. And anyway, an amp is never really stressed to it's max at 'very high volume'. Max stress is at about two-thirds of full output. That's where driver and output stages have to dissipate max heat. Your HU has probably failed due to some other issue, possibly a manufacturing defect like the output chip not being adequately screwed down to the heat sink. Of course this is all off-the-cuff. We don't even know WHICH chip has failed.

20th November 2007, 21:22	#11 (permalink)
anonymous BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NCR Posts: 297	I have given it for repair. Will update you guys soon

14th December 2007, 20:35	#12 (permalink)
anonymous BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NCR Posts: 297	Ok. Got it back and paid 700 Rs. for I.C. too high but didn't say anything as it was repaired by Driven and I trust them completely. It worked for almost 20 days and again the same problem has surfaced. Sounds like issue with the wiring or something else?