Cheapest good SQ Sub with Kenwood 8401 amp - Team-BHP

vebmetal · 15th February 2008, 14:00

As some of you know, I have got Illusion EL 6.1s running off my Pioneer 6050UB in my Estilo. Now, being the person I am, and being a Team-BHP member, I must think of an upgrade.

I am thinking about getting a Kenwood 8401 4-channel amp, since I have only heard good things about it, and it has fallen below the 5K price mark (grey) which makes it superbly affordable for a good 4-Ch amp.

I want to use the front 2 channels for my components of course, and want to run a sub off the rear channels bridged, which should give me about 60W each speaker and 180W for the sub. Now I know that is not very high on the scale of many members here, but let me clarify what I am looking for.

Objective: I am NOT looking for loudness (SPL). I am looking for quality (SQ). Or to put it more accurately, I am looking for 90% SQ and 10% loudness. I am quite comfortable with how loud the HU takes the speakers, though towards the top I can feel the sound going a little muddy. Essentially my idea is that to enjoy music one needs to get the full spectrum of frequencies. (That is why I always install 2.1 speakers to my computer, TV etc.). And that is what I want in my car... not a BOOM BOOM party machine, but still enough punch so that I can hear the music the way it is intended to be heard.

So how about it - which sub(s) will best suit my need at 180W? (Let's say the budget is 5K and I am totally open to buying a second hand sub in that range).

ramie2400 · 15th February 2008, 15:41

I would suggest you go in for ground zero GZ 30T 12"inch subwoofer in a sealed enclosure,and it runs superb on the kenwood 8401,tried and tested and will satisfy your SQ+loudness thingy...cheers..!!
Ramie

shuvc · 15th February 2008, 15:58

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Originally Posted by ramie2400

I would suggest you go in for ground zero GZ 30T 12"inch subwoofer in a sealed enclosure,and it runs superb on the kenwood 8401,tried and tested and will satisfy your SQ+loudness thingy...cheers..!!
Ramie

I wonder if 30Ts are still available. @B&T should be able to confirm. TW12MK2 is the entry level. However, a) it'll be over his 5K budget surely. 6K+ surely. b) It's probably rated at 350 or 400W. 180W might be a tad too low.

I would suggest go for a JBL CS1204 (erstwhile GT4-12). IIRC its rated at around 250w. MRP is 3990. Shops might have discounts. Add a box and it should be around 5K.

Bass&Trouble · 15th February 2008, 16:05

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Originally Posted by shuvc

I wonder if 30Ts are still available. @B&T should be able to confirm. TW12MK2 is the entry level. However, a) it'll be over his 5K budget surely. 6K+ surely. b) It's probably rated at 350 or 400W. 180W might be a tad too low.

30T retail price is Rs. 5990/- and is available. The 12MK2 is the new model, similar specs to the 30T, Rs. 5490/-

low_bass_makker · 15th February 2008, 16:29

Ajay Bhai where is our Electra Sub ? It can make Veb`s combo complete.

Bass&Trouble · 15th February 2008, 16:34

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Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

Ajay Bhai where is our Electra Sub ? It can make Veb`s combo complete.

Coming soon, however it is a DVC, 500+ watts RMS and will cost 6k+, all of which are not suitable for veb.

shuvc · 15th February 2008, 17:20

@B&T, slightly OT question:

Is the TW12MK2 rated at 350w or 400w? Asking, since the GZ site mentions 400, whereas the sticker on the sub mentions 350.

abhibh · 15th February 2008, 17:34

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Originally Posted by shuvc

Is the TW12MK2 rated at 350w or 400w? Asking, since the GZ site mentions 400, whereas the sticker on the sub mentions 350.

Its 350W RMS 30T is 400W RMS

Bass&Trouble · 15th February 2008, 17:51

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Originally Posted by shuvc

Is the TW12MK2 rated at 350w or 400w? Asking, since the GZ site mentions 400, whereas the sticker on the sub mentions 350.

User Manual and our information sheet mentions it as 400. Never power tested it, but its been working successfully with folks plugging in rated power i.e. 400.

anonymous · 15th February 2008, 18:44

I would like to thank Vebmatal for opening this thread. I also like to thank other Bhpians for making suggestions to this thread. I also like to thank GTO for forming such a wonderful forum.
I will be closing following up this thread.

Bass&Trouble · 15th February 2008, 18:51

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Originally Posted by anonymous

I would like to thank Vebmatal for opening this thread. I also like to thank other Bhpians for making suggestions to this thread. I also like to thank GTO for forming such a wonderful forum.
I will be closing following up this thread.

Right, but what exactly did you win the award for?

anonymous · 15th February 2008, 19:38

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Originally Posted by Bass&Trouble

Right, but what exactly did you win the award for?

I have not but I will, when a good sub is suggested to Vebmatel. lol

adityamunshi · 15th February 2008, 22:13

Is it different from the one in MF's setup ?

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/sound-...lowing-sq.html (Illusionized My Palio - Mindblowing SQ!)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bass&Trouble

Coming soon, however it is a DVC, 500+ watts RMS and will cost 6k+, all of which are not suitable for veb.

Mr Bansal · 15th February 2008, 22:48

@Vebmetal - You have an amp for 5k (or will get one), how much do you really want to spend on a SQ sub. The list goes on from 3k (pio) - 35k (ID Max) and above. Without that your question makes no sense.

Now from what Ive read here, you have read most of the threads and posted quite a few of your own. If it was any one else he could've gotten suggestions. But youve read it all, you should roughly know the pricing of every product common here (Hertz, Illusion audio, GZ, ID etc etc). So my question is what do you really wanna know that hasnt been said on the forum before.

Now the reason why I have typed this out is - some newbie tried to help YOU (ya you he got nothing out of it) in your playlist thread and you flamed him for not knowing what a playlist is. Dont get ahead of yourself bro. If you expect everyone to know what a playlist is i expect you to READ the forum completely and most likely you'll get your answer.

Mr Bansal

iraghava · 16th February 2008, 00:33

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Originally Posted by Bass&Trouble

Coming soon, however it is a DVC, 500+ watts RMS and will cost 6k+, all of which are not suitable for veb.

Ajay, when the *%^# will this get launched man?? I've been hearing the "Coming soon" line for over 6 months now.

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Originally Posted by anonymous

I have not but I will, when a good sub is suggested to Vebmatel. lol

+1

15th February 2008, 14:00	#1 (permalink)
vebmetal BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 741	Cheapest good SQ Sub with Kenwood 8401 amp As some of you know, I have got Illusion EL 6.1s running off my Pioneer 6050UB in my Estilo. Now, being the person I am, and being a Team-BHP member, I must think of an upgrade. I am thinking about getting a Kenwood 8401 4-channel amp, since I have only heard good things about it, and it has fallen below the 5K price mark (grey) which makes it superbly affordable for a good 4-Ch amp. I want to use the front 2 channels for my components of course, and want to run a sub off the rear channels bridged, which should give me about 60W each speaker and 180W for the sub. Now I know that is not very high on the scale of many members here, but let me clarify what I am looking for. Objective: I am NOT looking for loudness (SPL). I am looking for quality (SQ). Or to put it more accurately, I am looking for 90% SQ and 10% loudness. I am quite comfortable with how loud the HU takes the speakers, though towards the top I can feel the sound going a little muddy. Essentially my idea is that to enjoy music one needs to get the full spectrum of frequencies. (That is why I always install 2.1 speakers to my computer, TV etc.). And that is what I want in my car... not a BOOM BOOM party machine, but still enough punch so that I can hear the music the way it is intended to be heard. So how about it - which sub(s) will best suit my need at 180W? (Let's say the budget is 5K and I am totally open to buying a second hand sub in that range). __________________ In memoriam: My Signature. Censorship 01 Vebmetal 00

15th February 2008, 15:41	#2 (permalink)
ramie2400 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,303 View My Garage	I would suggest you go in for ground zero GZ 30T 12"inch subwoofer in a sealed enclosure,and it runs superb on the kenwood 8401,tried and tested and will satisfy your SQ+loudness thingy...cheers..!! Ramie __________________ Behind every successful student there is a girl... But!!,what about unsuccessful student's like "US"?? ...Lots of girls. :D

15th February 2008, 17:20	#7 (permalink)
shuvc Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kolkata Posts: 1,728 View My Garage	@B&T, slightly OT question: Is the TW12MK2 rated at 350w or 400w? Asking, since the GZ site mentions 400, whereas the sticker on the sub mentions 350. __________________ PIGZILNKILJBSCOMB

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15th February 2008, 16:29	#5 (permalink)
low_bass_makker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 6,042 View My Garage	Ajay Bhai where is our Electra Sub ? It can make Veb`s combo complete.

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anonymous BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NCR Posts: 297	I would like to thank Vebmatal for opening this thread. I also like to thank other Bhpians for making suggestions to this thread. I also like to thank GTO for forming such a wonderful forum. I will be closing following up this thread.

15th February 2008, 22:48	#14 (permalink)
Mr Bansal Newbie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 20	@Vebmetal - You have an amp for 5k (or will get one), how much do you really want to spend on a SQ sub. The list goes on from 3k (pio) - 35k (ID Max) and above. Without that your question makes no sense. Now from what Ive read here, you have read most of the threads and posted quite a few of your own. If it was any one else he could've gotten suggestions. But youve read it all, you should roughly know the pricing of every product common here (Hertz, Illusion audio, GZ, ID etc etc). So my question is what do you really wanna know that hasnt been said on the forum before. Now the reason why I have typed this out is - some newbie tried to help YOU (ya you he got nothing out of it) in your playlist thread and you flamed him for not knowing what a playlist is. Dont get ahead of yourself bro. If you expect everyone to know what a playlist is i expect you to READ the forum completely and most likely you'll get your answer. Mr Bansal