system for optra - Team-BHP

vandan · 14th December 2005, 18:24

hey guys,
the delivery date for my optra is coming soon and i still have not decided on my system!
well i am getting Blau setup,Bermuda MP-35 with 4 door mounted speakers,which i am going to replace with a pioneer 5750 or 4750,i was worried about the speakers,can someone please recommend me some good speakers or should i stick to the current setup(120 watt speakers)¿they are going to be mounted in the doors only,how about the pioneer 6990 speakers¿(if they fit)
should i get them exchanged them from the dealer only or should go to opera house and pick them up¿

thanks

revtech · 14th December 2005, 19:48

dude BUDGET ??!!! thats like the most important thing.

If im not mistaken the optra rear door speakers can only accomodate 6 inchers and the pioneer 6990 are 6 X 9 inch oval speakers so will not fit.if you wish you can cut the rear parcel tray and add the pioneers out there.im not sure which speakers come stock in the optra but if you want you could add components in the front to enhance your ICE setup.

the 5750 would be a better option than the 4750 so id say stick with that.see if you can get a discount if you tell them you dont want the speakers and head unit.if they dont give you one id say just change the head unit and listen to the speakers for a while.if you find them good keep 'em other wise go ahead and get them changed.if you just listen to music i think those speakers should do fine but if your a hardcore music fan and need chest thumping bass youll need better speakers...hope that helped

rev

navin · 14th December 2005, 22:27

doors are poor boxes. that means bass suffers.

given that caeveat i would

listen to the existing system
if it satisfies you leave it alone
if it does not note why
then post here it will give us a better idea what you are looking for.

jkdas · 15th December 2005, 00:15

WHy replace tah Blau unit? Whats speakers are they giving you? We have some tbhpians who are happy with an all Blau setup.
If the pods support 6 inch speakers try to get compos if you can ( one pair at front would do )

mclaren1885 · 15th December 2005, 00:47

i suggest u to keep the stock HU that comes with the optra..it has a cassette player below which is the OE in dash 6-cd changer..it looks really cool and sets in with the look of the dash..all that i would suggest is go for the blaupunkt speakers that are being sold with the optras in europe..for more info on this pls PM our oldman rudra sen and he will be glad to help u with the setup..btw his setup happens to be one of the best sounding till date..

btw rudras config is 6.5'' components at the front,6.5'' or 5.25'' coaxials at the back,a blau tube sub and a 4 ch blau amplifier..and trust me that car rocks..in bangalore among the installs that i have come across the ones that have good SQ happen to be rudras and mine..hardly do any of the installers know whats SQ..

navin · 15th December 2005, 10:27

Rudra has the benefit of years. Most non OEM systems I hear leave me wanting. not becuase of anything but the tastes of the owner. read as BOOM BOOM Tizz Tizz. Most people assume that if a system can reproduce bass well and highs well the mids should not be a problem. In reality it is just the opposite.

The human ear is very very sensitive to freq. between 200 and 5000Hz. I have enough evidence to convince me but it seems this is not enough to convince anyone else!

Get the mids right. Then try to look at the freq. extremes.

Rudra has a system very close to mine except mine is almost all Alpine (save the subs, rear tweeters and sub amp).

Rudra Sen · 15th December 2005, 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclaren1885

hardly do any of the installers know whats SQ..

I also don't know what is SQ. What is that BTW?

And what's to be done on my cable front?

gunbir · 15th December 2005, 13:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudra Sen

I also don't know what is SQ. What is that BTW?

And what's to be done on my cable front?

Rudra Sir, welcome back to ICE. We havent seen you around here of late...
ICE systems can be divided into SQ and SPL.

SQ = Sound Quality. An SQ Install would imply the primary objective was sound quality. For people who actually enjoy their music.

SPL = Sound Pressure Loudness. Only objective here being loudness. Whether you can make out what song is playing isnt important.

I guess you are into SQ. What are your cable issues? Do you have noise? Or do your lights dim? Since 99% people use them, I guess your cables are probably BOSS, and undersized for your system. How many amps do you have? For most systems you dont need Stiffening Capacitors, only good cabling.

navin · 15th December 2005, 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudra Sen

I also don't know what is SQ. What is that BTW?

And what's to be done on my cable front?

if the lights are dimming on only the bass peaks then a stiffening capacitor can fill the power gap. 1F from lighting audio.

however switching to 4G power cable will improve things as well. I recd a SMS from mclrean which i forgot about in all the rush.

I think there are plenty of good cable available in Bangy. However I use standard 4G stranded cable (more than 100 strands) and i run 2 amps (a alpine 340 and a home made SS Hitachi MOSFET amp in my car and an Blaupunkt Velocity 504 and GTA 450 in my wife's car).

One thing I have learnt is that if you are runing 2 amps get a very high quality 2 ch amp for the front (like maybe the Alpine 240) and a amp that can swing volts for the rear and sub (Pio 6100). of course if you have the budget get the alpine 450.

mclaren1885 · 15th December 2005, 13:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by navin

if the lights are dimming on only the bass peaks then a stiffening capacitor can fill the power gap. 1F from lighting audio.

however switching to 4G power cable will improve things as well. I recd a SMS from mclrean which i forgot about in all the rush.

I think there are plenty of good cable available in Bangy. However I use standard 4G stranded cable (more than 100 strands) and i run 2 amps (a alpine 340 and a home made SS Hitachi MOSFET amp in my car and an Blaupunkt Velocity 504 and GTA 450 in my wife's car).

One thing I have learnt is that if you are runing 2 amps get a very high quality 2 ch amp for the front (like maybe the Alpine 240) and a amp that can swing volts for the rear and sub (Pio 6100). of course if you have the budget get the alpine 450.

no probs abt the sms navin..heard u were busy signing off to singy..i personally feel switching to better cables will solve the issue..if not then we can get rudra a stiffening cap(which i feel wont be required)..

yikes thats a expensive solution to ur problem rudra sir (uncle suits much better)..get a alpine 450 ?? navin arent we going totally overboard

..ok i realised just now that thats what we are famous for..

Rudra Sen · 15th December 2005, 14:15

SQ=SOUND QUALITY...Thanks Gunbir, I know little more in life now.

Ok Audio gurus, now tell me what exactly has to be done. Navin, by any chance you are telling me to buy more amps??

Yes for all gurus to know that I'm more into music than thumping bass in my car...if that helps in your prescription.

14th December 2005, 18:24	#1 (permalink)
vandan BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 144	system for optra hey guys, the delivery date for my optra is coming soon and i still have not decided on my system! well i am getting Blau setup,Bermuda MP-35 with 4 door mounted speakers,which i am going to replace with a pioneer 5750 or 4750,i was worried about the speakers,can someone please recommend me some good speakers or should i stick to the current setup(120 watt speakers)¿they are going to be mounted in the doors only,how about the pioneer 6990 speakers¿(if they fit) should i get them exchanged them from the dealer only or should go to opera house and pick them up¿ thanks __________________ Dont $teal,the Govt. hates competition Last edited by vandan : 14th December 2005 at 18:26.

14th December 2005, 19:48	#2 (permalink)
revtech Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Vero Beach, FL Posts: 1,654 View My Garage	dude BUDGET ??!!! thats like the most important thing. If im not mistaken the optra rear door speakers can only accomodate 6 inchers and the pioneer 6990 are 6 X 9 inch oval speakers so will not fit.if you wish you can cut the rear parcel tray and add the pioneers out there.im not sure which speakers come stock in the optra but if you want you could add components in the front to enhance your ICE setup. the 5750 would be a better option than the 4750 so id say stick with that.see if you can get a discount if you tell them you dont want the speakers and head unit.if they dont give you one id say just change the head unit and listen to the speakers for a while.if you find them good keep 'em other wise go ahead and get them changed.if you just listen to music i think those speakers should do fine but if your a hardcore music fan and need chest thumping bass youll need better speakers...hope that helped rev __________________ Revin Beyond Limits !!

15th December 2005, 00:15	#4 (permalink)
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapuram Posts: 5,519 View My Garage	WHy replace tah Blau unit? Whats speakers are they giving you? We have some tbhpians who are happy with an all Blau setup. If the pods support 6 inch speakers try to get compos if you can ( one pair at front would do ) __________________ -__-

15th December 2005, 00:47	#5 (permalink)
mclaren1885 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 3,988 View My Garage	i suggest u to keep the stock HU that comes with the optra..it has a cassette player below which is the OE in dash 6-cd changer..it looks really cool and sets in with the look of the dash..all that i would suggest is go for the blaupunkt speakers that are being sold with the optras in europe..for more info on this pls PM our oldman rudra sen and he will be glad to help u with the setup..btw his setup happens to be one of the best sounding till date.. btw rudras config is 6.5'' components at the front,6.5'' or 5.25'' coaxials at the back,a blau tube sub and a 4 ch blau amplifier..and trust me that car rocks..in bangalore among the installs that i have come across the ones that have good SQ happen to be rudras and mine..hardly do any of the installers know whats SQ.. __________________ Phoenix!

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14th December 2005, 22:27	#3 (permalink)
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: mumbai Posts: 12,573	doors are poor boxes. that means bass suffers. given that caeveat i would listen to the existing system if it satisfies you leave it alone if it does not note why then post here it will give us a better idea what you are looking for.

15th December 2005, 10:27	#6 (permalink)
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: mumbai Posts: 12,573	Rudra has the benefit of years. Most non OEM systems I hear leave me wanting. not becuase of anything but the tastes of the owner. read as BOOM BOOM Tizz Tizz. Most people assume that if a system can reproduce bass well and highs well the mids should not be a problem. In reality it is just the opposite. The human ear is very very sensitive to freq. between 200 and 5000Hz. I have enough evidence to convince me but it seems this is not enough to convince anyone else! Get the mids right. Then try to look at the freq. extremes. Rudra has a system very close to mine except mine is almost all Alpine (save the subs, rear tweeters and sub amp).

15th December 2005, 14:15	#11 (permalink)
Rudra Sen Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 4,173 View My Garage	SQ=SOUND QUALITY...Thanks Gunbir, I know little more in life now. Ok Audio gurus, now tell me what exactly has to be done. Navin, by any chance you are telling me to buy more amps?? Yes for all gurus to know that I'm more into music than thumping bass in my car...if that helps in your prescription.