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Old 24th July 2012, 22:05   #1
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I fitted the Hyundai stock double din on my 3 month old i10 Magna this Sunday, after regretting for 3 months not having bought the Sportz instead of the Magna. Anyway I didn't want to spoil the dash look, hence intended to initially buy the Hyundai 10 stock double din only and get the component speakers done from some other shop. Since the i10 double din is only available in Hyundai showrooms, I had no choice but do it there. Little did I know then that I would regret this decision more than had I not done it there.

I had to take a Saturday off as the Hyundai accessories section in the showroom is closed on Sundays, hence again I had limited time to co-ordinate the above things. The lady at the Hyundai's accessory section had to little information on car audio, hence when she sensed I had readied myself to buy and fix the system today she took me to their audio workshop. I was informed it would cost Rs. 13,000 for the 2-din and the 4 speakers (which I had little interest in). I asked about only the 2-din, it'd cost me 10k. The lady had no idea about the component speakers, so she called someone over the phone and after talking for 10 mins over the phone, informed me it would be 7k for the components. Which make? What about JBL? What about punching holes to put install the tweeters on the dashboard corner behind the mirror? She said, "No we won't do the component fittings and definitely won't punch holes for the tweeters but hold on let me check with them again". I said its alright, I won't buy the components here if they were not gonna fit them in the car.

I called up my ice shop but unfortunately their phone was busy over a long period of time. So I gave up and asked these Hyundai people to do it whole, and that I would get the stock speakers changed in a week at my ice shop.

The showroom technicians were a bunch of teenage ruffians really. They punched the holes on the plastic in the doors. I asked them whether they'd rather use some drill. They said no they don't drill. They hammered the nails in. I'm very sure they didn't bother with the phasing of the speakers. Because when I later ran my test reference disc, 2 right front and left rear were out of phase. The speakers directly touching the plastic and probably unevenly screwed in jars the low frequencies. I just wanted to get it all done and get out of there and go to some other specialist shop a week or month later. So I avoided further consultations and discussions with these jokers. They loudly played some hindi songs and FM music to demonstrate their taste in music and ignorance of the audio technology. That too didn't work at first, they had to tweak some more to finally get sound through all the 4 speakers. That's it - sound, can't call it music.

On my way back home, to keep an appointment with a friend (luckily in his Swift with Sony ice), I wondered why and how I was tricked in paying 14k for system which sounds 1.5 - 2k at the most. I have fruitlessly tweaked everyday for the past 4 days. I do not expect great sound but I at least expected basic good or passable sound, which should at least sound like music. There's a terrible plastic rattle on the front right speaker on every low frequency note. Mid frequencies are completely lost. I had expected the speakers would be below average, but didn't know they would be actually bad. It sounds like someone has plugged cheap plastic speakers to a 70s transistor. I have begun to doubt the 2-din's capability to play now. I hope its just the speakers. Now when I'd take it to a specialist audio shop, I won't know where to start from. Earlier I had intended to buy the i10 2-din mainly because it fits the i10 dashboard look like no other, and pioneer or JBL components after a thorough test. My ideas were
1. Woofers of the component in the front doors and tweeters on the dashboard corners, to give the sound a floorstander image. No speakers in the backdoors, as it distracts my stereo imaging while driving. No one sits in the back, definitely not me.
2. If the sound is wanting in the above setup, i would go for an amplifier to power the components. Then maybe as an option install again pioneer or JBL coaxials in the backdoor or on the rear parcel tray, where the 2-bin would carefully tilt the balance mainly on the front components. No sub-woofer as most of my music have strong clear basslines and would definitely not be handled well by any moving sub-woofer.

Anyway, what I would like to know is, given my want of perfection in music and dislike for loud garish muddy bouncy noise; Is the hyundai i10 2-din even half-way better of good? Or should I just throw out the entire set?
The speakers are definitely out as I had never intended to buy them, but now the I have doubts about the 2-din too. Is the 13k price justified. If I throw out the speakers and consider the 2-din I bought for 10k, is it worth the 10k?

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Old 25th July 2012, 10:39   #2
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I think this thread should be moved here: Product Discussions - Team-BHP

Regarding the i10 stock HU and coax speakers, I have them in my 2009 Asta as factory fits, and they are quite OK. Not audiophile quality or good, but OK - none of the rattles or transistor like sound.

IMHO there are a few 2 din aftermarket HUs which look quite good on the i10 dash - guess you might find them in the audio threads. Agreed none look as integrated as the OEM HU.

Did you get this HU:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/produc...em-i-10-a.html

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Yes exactly the one in your suggested thread. Rs.13,000 from the showroom and no bill. Well then it might be outphased wiring and faulty fitting. And yes, I am an audiophile. Wharfdale's in my living room through Onkyo and grado's on my iPod. Yet what I get here is worse than an audiophile's nightmare. Yesterday I just couldn't play it anymore hence drove without music and I noticed and a constant rattle and creaking on the right door panel. Very disturbing. I think I'll go crazy if I don't do something about it soon. Yes but now that you've vouched for it, I'd definitely consider an overall refitting, though temporary. The components must wait till September. I will visit the showroom and demand the bill. I won't ask them to look into the fittings and problems again.

Thank you very much for asserting my faith in the HU. My doubts caused me a lot of heartburn.

I wasn't sure either as where this post should go. Admins please move it to the appropriate section. Thank you very much.
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One thing is for sure, you can't get the sound anywhere near to audiophile quality with those 10K Hyundai 2DIN. Being a hardcore audiophile and sound engineer myself, I can so well understand and feel what you are going through now.

Why not try returning that HU to the showroom for a decent price or sell it off, and get yourself an ALPINE HU, which IMO has a very neutral and balanced sound and complement them with JBL GTO938 Speakers. (Also, P.S : hardcore audiophiles hardly prefer looks over sound quality, so even if putting a non-hyundai HU doesn't give 100% of the looks on the dash, never mind, enjoy the sound, and enjoy the drive)

If technology permitted me, I could have fitted the Genelec or M-Audio monitor speakers of my recording studio in my car

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And yes, I am an audiophile. Wharfdale's in my living room through Onkyo and grado's on my iPod. Yet what I get here is worse than an audiophile's nightmare. Thank you very much for asserting my faith in the HU. My doubts caused me a lot of heartburn.
pricksharp, I totally understand how you feel. Bad audio in the car is worse than no audio! All is not lost.

Since you already spent 14K on a new HU, I think at some point in the future you can go in for an external amp + component speakers in the front and a pair of 6x9s or 6 1/2" coax speakers at the back on the parcel shelf.

Most external amps take speaker level inputs so your HU speaker out can be plugged straight into the amp inputs. This will certainly improve the sound in your car..and depending on what kind of music you listen to and how loud, you can add a sub woofer which would do even better.
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Well thanks for all your responses and concern for a fellow audiophile. Yes now I realize I should've considered audio quality above the dashboard look. I had M-Audio co-axials in my last car. I gave it along with the car, when I sold it. It was the music quality that had actually impressed the buyer into buying this car. Now unfortunately M-audio have stopped manufacturing speakers and are only into manufacturing studio music equipment. I prefer the natural stereo sound to the car audio sound surround, hence I always install 2 speakers, be it coaxials or components. Getting the living room sound in a car is technically not possible, due to the want of space between the sound stage and the listener. Users will find it odd but my m-audios sat on a tray in the boot, yet the sound was remarkable and never failed to impress anybody who sat in (front or back). No one ever dared to suggest that the speakers should be in front or there should be 4 speakers, such was the sound quality.
As R2D2 rightly suggested I'd definitely go for an amplifier with this same HU. And I'd give the parcel shelf coaxials a listen. But I'm afraid it'd spoil my soundstage (not that car audio is meant for that kind of detailing).
Revv I checked some Alpines 2-din. 2-din in my i10 is a necessity, if you see the i10 dash you'd realize what I mean. It looks awful with both or either of the cubby holes open, need to cover those as one needs to cover bad teeth. I'll upload pics with and without the HU tonight.
Well when it comes to music, I'd rather not listen to it than listen to it on a bad setup. I rarely listen to mp3s except on my iPod, I copy my original CDs and carry them in the car or burn from FLACs. I'd definitely consider the return it to the showroom option, or at least I'll take a bill from them and sell it online.
I'll keep you all updated. I'll have to wait for the weekend to put the above ideas in action.
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This was the exact delima I was in, when last year I had to chose ICE for my better half's i10. Not to mention that i also cursed myself for not going for the sportz instead of Magna.

I also liked the in-dash look , but when i heard the HU, i was really dis-appointed and felt that this HU was way over priced in my opinion.

So i decided to head to a renowned installer in Delhi (Driven). Finally zeroed down on alpine HU and hertz components(front) + 3 way ones in rear doors. Also, the tweeters were neatly installed on the place behind the orvms(same place where you have normal stick type adjusters in lower variants to adjust the mirrors).

Must say, alpine HU gives the best sound quality in a setup without an amp.
Although i had to compromise on the looks, but after a year now, i feel it was a good decision. Specially, because the 2 din HUs are way overpriced and provide the same quality/features.

All the best in your quest!

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Right said Revv. This 2din has just a long face. 10k is way overpriced. I'm waiting for the weekend to visit the showroom and ask them to buy it back. Or I'll try and sell it online. But I doubt I would get a proper price. Last option would be to stick to the HU, throw out the 4 coaxials, get a component pair and add an amplifier but only after a thorough test.
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I too have an i10 Magna 1.2 with dealer fitted music system. I am very much satisfied with its performance there is no distortion of the sound at all and yes there is a slight rattle in the drive side door but not always only for high bass music and that too occasionally. The aux output works like a gem on connecting with my Samsung mobile.

And yes I too regret for not opting for the Sportz variant, not because of the music player but because of lack of intermediate front wipers, rare wiper and defoggers which I feel is a must in Mumbai rains. But hey this can be fitted in a Magna though
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Thanks RallyMaster. But I don't think a defogger can be fitted on a Magna or any car, unless it comes pre-fitted with the car. Even if it is, it is expensive and often doesn't give good results. Well, I did visit the showroom last weekend as I said I would in my last message. While my rattling noise was getting fixed and speakers attended to, I saw a i10 Sportz Auto ready for delivery.

I sneaked past and noticed the differences - yes the stock music system (for which I paid 13k), the rear wiper, defogger; apart from that I noticed the side mouldings were white too, to match the car colour. Magna has are black. And of course the automatic gear shift with a steel head. I casually eyed the challan bill sheet only to find it cost just 5.20L all inclusive, while I paid 4.97L for my Magna (there was a further 30k discount, so 4.67L).

Nature is cruel. No justice. Why would I not have bought this for a mere 23k difference? I felt like there's no god in the world.


Anyway, coming back to the music system travails, I casually suggested they take it back, which I knew they won't. They opened it up again and fixed the right door rattle which was due to a untaped speaker connector. Of course, I wasn't ready to bargain over the third grade music quality where they spotted a chance to score another deal.

They said we take only the speakers back provided you buy the components from us too. And they won't cut holes to fit the tweeter. I asked them to just tweak the present speakers and I would do the components elsewhere.

I supervised this time. Speakers were directly fitted on the door metal. I asked them to put a ring , which they only did for the front doors. They had their hands full since it was Saturday. I found the source of the sonic chaos. It was reversed rear speakers. Rear Left into Rear Right and vice versa. Confused sound imaging. One can imagine. While removing the din, junior put a tiny scratch on the dashboard and immediately ran to summon senior who removed it re-paired the rear speakers, albeit with no rings, hence sounded as bad as ever. Anyway I channeled the sound only through the fronts and intend to keep it that way. Rear channels were out of phase too, as the cables were not colour coded. Luckily the fronts were properly in-phased, no points to them as it was sheer 50-50 chance. Now the front sounds quite alright at Bass at +4 Treble at +6 Loudness On and Fader completely to the Fronts, as long as the Volume doesn't cross 16.

Yes, now they are listenable. Now I can sense the difference the components would make. FM still sounds terrible and all over the place. My CDs sound better and 320 kbps or variable bit mp3 on USB. But overdriven guitar action still sounds messy. Now I would say - decent. Next I'll keep all updated on the fronts only components upgrade.

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