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Old 19th January 2009, 11:03   #1756
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9K would be with b/w ? How about the Alpine Type-R speakers ?.
TypeR cost more than 9K for 2 pairs. However if you are getting your speakers from the US you might be able to fit Type R or SPS series or Infinity Reference

just an sample of what is available in your budget from one site
Alpine SPS-600C Type-S 6-1/2" component speaker system Fits in 6-1/2" or 6-3/4" openings at Crutchfield.com
Infinity Reference 6020cs 6-1/2" component speaker system For 6-1/2" and 6-3/4" openings at Crutchfield.com

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I found it very very wierd because firstly the casing for the tube is made of card board or some material similar to it. Are all bass tubes made like this and with similar material?

Anyway, i was advised to scrap the tube and use the subwoofer in a box instead. Is this ok or is this subwoofer meant to be installed in a tube only? Also my tube was ported but my box is not. What does this mean? Ive also been told that a non-ported box gives more punch. Kindly advise on the same
1. Most if not all bass tubes are made of the same material
2. If the bass tube was ported the woofer was probably designed to work best in a ported box. by putting the subwoofer in a sealed box you have robbed the woofer of some added bass bosst provided by the port. This has been compensated by changing the bass boost on the amp.

In most cases a ported box will provide more punch than a sealed box. A sealed box's output is considered to be more natural. However feel free to please tune the subwoofer to your taste.

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Old 19th January 2009, 13:18   #1757
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@epic, if you were happy with the bass from the tube, better take it to a JBL dealer and ask them to put it back together properly. Scrapping the tube and experimenting would
a. rob you of the pleasure of listening in the meanwhile, and
b. would be a colossal waste of money if it really does not perform as it was doing in the tube.

Instead of using adhesive another time, perhaps they could use 1.5" long self-tapping screws all around after pre-drilling the holes with a 3mm bit. Don't underestimate the strength of that 'cardboard' tube.
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Old 19th January 2009, 14:22   #1758
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Guys how can one improve the sound stage on ZXI.. will addding an Amp and Sub give some better results in the stock setup if not intersted in changing the entire unit at one time.

I would want to change the setup step by step instead of one time change.
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What setup do you have currently?

An amp *might* improve a stock setup , but only marginally - since much of the imaging is from the components in front, and the 'quality' of those. The sub will make the music complete by covering the low end.

If you want to change the setup step by step, first audition different setups (there are plenty of TBHP members in Delhi, you just have to ask) to know which setup appeals to you the most, then change the front components first.

An amp would then increase the ability to cover the dynamic range (soft to loud passages of music). At that time you can decide whether to add a sub immediately or later.
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Old 20th January 2009, 20:11   #1760
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I will be getting the car shortly.

I am aware normally the company fitted ICE systems arent that great to talk about, i have not personally checked the ZXI system so cant comment on it.

So to get better sound stage from the stock system in ZXI, what all alternatives we can go for.

What is the make of speakers in them, if anyone can enlighten here.
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Old 20th January 2009, 23:22   #1761
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I will be getting the car shortly.

I am aware normally the company fitted ICE systems arent that great to talk about, i have not personally checked the ZXI system so cant comment on it.

So to get better sound stage from the stock system in ZXI, what all alternatives we can go for.

What is the make of speakers in them, if anyone can enlighten here.
Hi Invincible,
I have a 1 week old ZXi. The problem with ZXi is that none of the dealers seem to stock any.. nor are there many on road.

The stock system is not great, but not bad either. But the speakers are utter tosh. Plus changing the HU would mean losing the steering controls (which can be fixed doing some infrared jugaad). But guess changing the front and rear door speakers to comps and coax would do some justice.

And I am not sure of the brand of the speakers.
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@invincible7, the stock setup is bad! The speakers are Nippon. Upgrading the speakers itself would bring a lot of improvement. For best results, upgrade the HU also.

@ Fountainheader, another ZXi here.
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@ Fountainheader, another ZXi here.
I know boss. And I read through your entire ICE upgrade thread with the only hope of a mention about "working steering controls with HU upgrade".

Even I am not really happy with the ICE. But I am modding on a priority basis. So I might just get the comps and coax in place. HU upgrade would be done say in 6 months time. When I get sick of the steering controls maybe.
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... with the only hope of a mention about "working steering controls with HU upgrade"...
Hey, don't worry about the steering controls that much. I really don't miss the controls at all. If you really need a steering remote, you can always get the universal steering remote that Frank Mehta bought! Check out his thread!

EDIT: The thread is: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/produc...e-control.html

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Hi All

I am a complete noob when it comes to ICE so would appreciate if the biggies can help me out with ICE setup for a new swift vdi (why vdi - well thats a long story). I am going to get it delivered on feb 3-4th week from Sai Service Station in Pune.

Well I am from Calcutta/Delhi and new to Pune and don't know much around town. My budget is 25-30k for ICE, and 20K for alloys & tyres (that may come later if i want to spruce up the ICE for now).

I have (honestly) searched the forums for the last 2 days (well my eyes hurt and i had to buy some eye-drops after long hours staring at the computer screen) - buty have not found a ideal solution.

Please give it to me straight guys.

My plan is to go for
2 components in fron
2 components/co-axials in rear
1 4 channel amplier
1 subwoofer

I would need info on the model number and approximate prices of the same, a place in pune where they can do it professionally.

I went to Pune motors on east street/mg road intersention - he offered me 4 sets of enkei alloys for 13k, tyres eprate, and 30 for a audio setup which i think is just about budget/medium type. Plus he was pushing me for sony whereas i absolutely HATE the sound.

Please help. I am at my wits end. (Well i have ot put up a story soon why i chose the swift over the SX4 some time later - that has eaten my head away for the last 2 months).

Thanks guys.

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I know boss. And I read through your entire ICE upgrade thread with the only hope of a mention about "working steering controls with HU upgrade".

Even I am not really happy with the ICE. But I am modding on a priority basis. So I might just get the comps and coax in place. HU upgrade would be done say in 6 months time. When I get sick of the steering controls maybe.
If you want your steering controls to work you can buy kenwood HU and Kenwood Steering remote module.

Kenwood Electronics Europe | Steeringwheel Remote controls > CAW-SZ1160
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Thanks Fountainhead and Hydra..

So the step by step upgradation of the system would involve

1. Changing the front speaker - plonking a component set from either of
the following Rainbow, Hertz, Bull. Have heard all of them.

2. Adding an amp and subwoofer.

3. If not satisfied change ther rear speakers aswell, which i think can work
as of now with the stock speakers in the rear.

And ofcourse get damping done.

4. Is there any kit availabe for changing the stock HU. how much does it
costs??

I would be looking for changing these in a progressive and sustained manner with time, dont have the moolah left once the car arrives
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If you want your steering controls to work you can buy kenwood HU and Kenwood Steering remote module.

Kenwood Electronics Europe | Steeringwheel Remote controls > CAW-SZ1160
Hi Abhi,
I know about these steering remotes. But since the steering wheel already has control buttons, I was looking out for non-infrared jugaad to use them.

Plus ICE is not really of prime importance to me. Not to an extent that I need to change HU and all that. So changing front and rear speakers should work out. Atleast for 6-8 months. Plus damping needs to be done.


invincible7,
What do you mean by "kit to change HU" ?
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4. Is there any kit availabe for changing the stock HU. how much does it
costs??
Good upgrade plan, Invincible7! You can leave the rears alone if you are driving.

Yes, kits are available easily for changing the stock HU. You'll get them for about 700/- to 1000/- varying qualities. A good idea would be to sell the HU to a Swift Lxi/Ldi/Vxi/Vdi owner (there are quite who like the way the ZXi HU looks) and get their Fascia unit as part of the deal. This way you make a bit of money, and get a good-quality fascia adapter for the HU too!

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What do you mean by "kit to change HU" ?
A fascia adapter is needed to fit an aftermarket HU in the post May 2008 ZXi, due to the integrated HU taking up all the space in the middle of the dash.
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A fascia adapter is needed to fit an aftermarket HU in the post May 2008 ZXi, due to the integrated HU taking up all the space in the middle of the dash.
I thought he was planning to do some DIY

I dont think there is any stock location for tweeters in the Swift. So the A-Pillar needs to be drilled ?
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