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Old 6th July 2007, 16:43   #736
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Hi!
I need help here.
I have booked a Swift and am looking around for ICE options. After discussions and reading this thread, I zeroed in on Clarion.
Clarion has got really neat HUs for 2007 like

and



Checked with the distributors in India and they said these are not available until August end!!! I dont know why they call it the 2007 line-up if its not going to be available in 2007!

Anyways, I am travelling to Sweden next week and intend to buy the Clarion there if I get one.

Only question is whether there will be any compatibility issues when fixing it in my Swift Diesel and with speakers- intend to put JBL.
Please advise.
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Old 6th July 2007, 18:28   #737
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CBZ, Clarion might not be cheaper in Sweden than it is here and the warranty will still not be valid in India. August aint too far away but then again the date might shift.
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Since they are authorized dealers of JBL, i assume that they have standard prices that cannot be altered by haggling... Is my assumption correct
well as soon as you reach the distributor's outlet, announcing in a loud voice that you love t-bhp might help!

also, throw around some names once there. now dont go about asking which name/s !!!

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Well Swift Crazy just say SAM and you dont need to haggle anymore..
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Plan forming, after a visit to Blaupunkt showroom today....

HU... St. Louis MP56 Rs.17,250
Front door... Velocity Vc172 component (tweeter on dashboard?) Rs.8900
Rear door... GTx 173 Triaxial Rs.2450

no external amp, no rear shelf speakers, no subwoofer.

The car will almost always only carry one or two people, so I don't want to put a lot of money into rear speakers, but I'm prepared to spend a bit more if it is thought that the cheaper ones will bring down the total effect.

I want (as I may have mentioned in an earlier post) nice clear mid and treble at modest to moderate volumes, for classical music. No base thump required!

As ever, I'll leave the haggling to my expert wife, but expect to be able to get at least 5% off that quite hefty total.

Just a thought... Is component-speaker mounting for the rear doors a possibility? Strikes me it might be a good idea to get another tweeter nearer to my ears, as I have fairly poor hearing in the high ranges.

I suppose the separate tweeters means drilling, so, although I can keep the head unit if I sell the car, the speakers would then have to stay with it?

Apologies for reposting some of this, but previously my thoughts were much more vague, but at least established that my choice of blaupunkt as a brand was ok.

Looks like the leather seat covers just lost their place on the budget!!!
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Plan forming, after a visit to Blaupunkt showroom today....

HU... St. Louis MP56 Rs.17,250
Front door... Velocity Vc172 component (tweeter on dashboard?) Rs.8900
Rear door... GTx 173 Triaxial Rs.2450

no external amp, no rear shelf speakers, no subwoofer.

Just a thought... Is component-speaker mounting for the rear doors a possibility? Strikes me it might be a good idea to get another tweeter nearer to my ears, as I have fairly poor hearing in the high ranges.
1. an amp does not take up too much room and even a small amp helps a lot. you dont more than 30W rms.

2. you can put components in the rear just like in the front. The swift does not have tweeter pods in the front either so you would have to decide between a flush mount on the door panel or A pillar or a surfance mount on the dash.
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Gurus,

I have some decent knowledge about home theartere setups and brands but a completely novice in ICE. I have booked a Swift Vdi and am expecting the delivery in another 10 days... After going through a lot of posts here and auditioning various speakers I have narrowed down with this ICE set up as my budget is 30 K for speakers and the AMP. All the details given below with the prices are taken from a vendor in Pune and he also promised me a discount of 14 to 15 % on the whole setup...

Head Unit: Alpine CDA-9883 (Bought it from the US costed me 9.5k)
Front sound stage: Infinity Ref REF 6020cs BW: 9500/-
Back Sound stage: JBL GTO 937 BW: 4800/-
Amplifier JBL GTO 75.4

Now please tell me..

1. If the configured set up is fine? Because I have recommended the same setup to one of my friend and he is going to get his ICE installed in two weeks from now (But with a diffrent HU)

2. Is Alpine 9833 a good HU ?

3. Should I dampen my front doors?

4. Suggest me a good wiring kit which I can get for 1.5k (2guage or 4 guage)

5. What settings should I be changing on the amplifier?

6. In the begining I grounded on Infinity Ref 6010cs but none of the ICE shops had the model available and suggested the 6020cs I found a couple of dealers catologues showing Infinity Ref:6020cs but some how I cant find the same model on the infinity Indian website I believe this is a new entrant and so if any of you have auditioned this product please let me know the feed back.

7. Also if I look at the wattage of both the speakers, the Watt RMS of both the front and rear speakers is lesser than the GTO 75.4 so how do I tweak the amplifier so that it doesnt harm the speakers and also let me know some universally accepted settings on the amplifier like the frequency level....


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Head Unit: Alpine CDA-9883 (Bought it from the US costed me 9.5k)
Front sound stage: Infinity Ref REF 6020cs BW: 9500/-
Back Sound stage: JBL GTO 937 BW: 4800/-
Amplifier JBL GTO 75.4

Now please tell me..

1. If the configured set up is fine? Because I have recommended the same setup to one of my friend and he is going to get his ICE installed in two weeks from now (But with a diffrent HU)

2. Is Alpine 9833 a good HU ?

3. Should I dampen my front doors?

4. Suggest me a good wiring kit which I can get for 1.5k (2guage or 4 guage)

5. What settings should I be changing on the amplifier?

6. In the begining I grounded on Infinity Ref 6010cs but none of the ICE shops had the model available and suggested the 6020cs I found a couple of dealers catologues showing Infinity Ref:6020cs but some how I cant find the same model on the infinity Indian website I believe this is a new entrant and so if any of you have auditioned this product please let me know the feed back.

7. Also if I look at the wattage of both the speakers, the Watt RMS of both the front and rear speakers is lesser than the GTO 75.4 so how do I tweak the amplifier so that it doesnt harm the speakers and also let me know some universally accepted settings on the amplifier like the frequency level....
1. Yes, pretty good. If budget permits, you can consider the Infinity 9623i 6X9, to go with the fronts.

2. Yes it is

3. Always nice to damp your doors.

4. I don't think you will get any 2 gauge kit for that price.

5. On the GTO75.4 front channel:
Bass Boost off.
HPF on.
HPF frequency - 70-80Hz.
Level, about a little over half (Change as per taste later)

JBL GTO937 in the rear
GTO75.4 rear channel
Bass Boost off
LPF/HPF OFF
Gain at a little under half. (Change as per taste later)

6. The ref6020cs officially replaced the 6010cs sometime in May. Worldwide.

7. No you will not harm your speakers. Refer to point 5.

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so many questions...

ok I would suggest to drop the 6x9 and get a sub instead it will make the sound much better.. also if you plan not to get the sub get the infinity 6x9 rather than getting the JBL as different brands tend to play a bit different.

for the amp to kill the sub if you enable the HPF ( high pass filter) it will protect the speaker from getting the lower freq which will protect them for damaging them. also you will get good headroom with a powerful amp.

yes if you can damp the doors.

about the HU it depends if you like it there is nothing like it.

for wiring you can go for
power -> finolex
RCA-> MX
Speaker -> any good branded one. like stinger, ichiban
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1. Yes, pretty good. If budget permits, you can consider the Infinity 9623i 6X9, to go with the fronts.

2. Yes it is

3. Always nice to damp your doors.

4. On the GTP75.4 front channel:
Bass Boost off.
HPF on.
HPF frequency - 70-80Hz.
Level, about a little over half (Change as per taste later)

JBL GTO937 in the rear
GTO75.4 rear channel
Bass Boost off
LPF/HPF OFF
Gain at a little under half. (Change as per taste later)

6. The ref6020cs officially replaced the 6010cs sometime in May. Worldwide.

7. No you will not harm your speakers. Refer to point 5.

Sam Bhai there is no point 5 ...I think you did not had your lunch.
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Old 10th July 2007, 19:02   #746
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Sam Bhai there is no point 5 ...I think you did not had your lunch.
LBM, kindly refer to the edit button.
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Thanks LBM and SAM for your inputs...

I believe there is a shortage of GTO 75.4 amps in the market and when I visited some shops in Pune they said that there are some problems with that model (tripping) But I have gone ahead and told them that I dont agree bcos some of my friends use the same amp and they are pretty much satisfied... But in the end I landed up in reputed shop in JM road, Pune when I told him about what people in the market are doing about the brand image becos they dont have the product in stock, he immediately called the Mumbai JBL and told them whats going on in Pune and was suggesting them not to provide products to such audio dealers (He was really pissed off when he heard a bad remark about JBL)

And Sam Bhai when Incidentally I took your name you should see the face of the Owner (all sort of expressions) he asked me do you know Sam?? to which I replied no I dont but frequently go through his posts... and his answer was "Kya aadmi he yaar Kya dimhaak, kya knowledge leke goomtha hai .... and so on"

Sam bhai seems like you have a great reputation all over India...
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so many questions...

ok I would suggest to drop the 6x9 and get a sub instead it will make the sound much better.. also if you plan not to get the sub get the infinity 6x9 rather than getting the JBL as different brands tend to play a bit different.

for the amp to kill the sub if you enable the HPF ( high pass filter) it will protect the speaker from getting the lower freq which will protect them for damaging them. also you will get good headroom with a powerful amp.

yes if you can damp the doors.

about the HU it depends if you like it there is nothing like it.

for wiring you can go for
power -> finolex
RCA-> MX
Speaker -> any good branded one. like stinger, ichiban

LBM - If I go for a sub I wanted to go for a sealed enclosure and I have opted for this as I am inclined towards SQ. What kind of subwoofers are used in a sealed enclosure? Are they the normal subs which are used in ported enclosures ? I would love to install a sub in the next 2 months, so can you provide me with the measurements for a sealed enclosure which fits into the swift...I understand the measurements play a very crucial part.

Once I install the sub I am planning to drive the sub with the existing GTO 75.4 and drive the rears off the HU, will this work? Suggest me a good 200 or 250 watt RMS sub below5K..
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And his answer was "Kya aadmi he yaar Kya dimhaak, kya knowledge leke goomtha hai .... and so on"
This guys makes Knowledge sound like some unwanted piece of luggage that people carry around with them
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LBM - If I go for a sub I wanted to go for a sealed e........hich fits into the swift...I understand the measurements play a very crucial part.

Once I install the sub I am planning to drive the sub with the existing GTO 75.4 and drive the rears off the HU, will this work? Suggest me a good 200 or 250 watt RMS sub below5K..

Firstly it is not written anywhere that the sealed box only produce SQ and other enclosure that are ported and bandpass to name the common ones does not produce SQ and just boom.

You can go for a sealed one or a ported one. as the rest are a bit difficult to design and make.

The size of the enclosure will depend on the sub you decide.

for this budget I would recommend the GTO-4-12 or the new GTO series sub GTO1202D
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