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Old 3rd July 2006, 13:57   #421
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The other 4 way active options are :


Pioneer DEH-P90 with DEX-P90
Alpine HU with PXA-H701 Processor

Both of the above mentioned are expensive than HX-D2 hence HX-D2 is the best option.

TRU is definitely the option to go for. It has same sound signature as TO3 and like you said it leaves the option of expansion.

SRx2 is also a good option..but in your case I will suggest go for TRU

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Old 3rd July 2006, 14:24   #422
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KB active is usually better than passive but I am beginging to wonder what your final system will look like. Right now you got a 20K HU and a 1L amp 2 ID 12" subs for 25K? and god alone knows what for front and rear speakers. To add to this you still are sitting on a PA275 right?

Now you are contemplating active? You want another 1L amp? I think you should have considered this before buying any amps, HUs or speakers.

50% of musical energy is below 300hz, 75% below 2500Hz, so when you go active it makes sense to heed this. For example it make little sense to use a 100W amp for the tweeters. 10W would do fine. Now getting a high quality 10W amp is not easy.

I wont disuade you from going active. The advantages are many. However I think you should first plan what your needs are and then only consider active, passive or a hybrid.
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Good point navin

Let me tell you what I have narrowed down to

1. Will go two way active for the moment.

2. Front Mids Hertz Hi Energy HV 165

3. Highs - Image Dyanamics NX30

4. Subs - Two iDQ 10"s

5. First Amp - One Tru Tech t03 4 channel

Front two channels to the Midbasses, and rear two to the subs in stereo.

6. Second Amp - T4.65/SRx 2 (to be decided)
essentially one pair of channels to the tweeets. Hence thre Tru will have another pair available for a future dedicated midrange/rear fill )

7. HU currently P80RS - will suffice for this application

8. One Bulk Pak Dynamat and Audison connect cables.

9. Future wish list : HX-D2 and a dome midrange!

The 275 will be put on marketpalce shortly.. my 222 will shift to my wife's car.. (HELL One idea ... If I can get another PA 275 the my sub duties can be taken up by them - liberating the T03 for the front entirely! But will still need another amp for future upgrade to three way - all in all messy very very messy - FOUR amps!! )

Is this now looking okay??

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Old 3rd July 2006, 17:07   #424
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Lets confuse Kb more than what he already is .

My suggestion will be----

Avoid rear fillers for now and so obviously buy best front active3-way u can afford right now.Did i use the word 'afford'!!!!!!!!
If ever u think subw r bit too much against just front 3-way active,switch off one subw.

coz if u did compromise with front spk and planned to buy better one later u wont be able to get good resale value.So add up ur budget for front+rear and buy only best front spk u can buy.

And u can always power tweeters with ur blau275 amp. As navin said,tweeters dont need more than what this amp can offer.
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Old 3rd July 2006, 18:13   #425
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KB100,

You can have any of the following setup :

HU : Pioneer P80RS; Add amplifier : TRU 4.65

2 way active in the front + Subwoofer

Tweeters on channel A-B of the TRU 4.65, channel C-D remains idle (unless you want to run 4.65 in bridged for tweeters )
Mids on channel A-B of the TRU TO, Subwoofers on channel C-D.

HU : Clarion HX-D2; Add amplifier : TRU 4.65

3 way active in front + Subwoofer
or
2 way active in the front + Rear + Subwoofer

Tweeters on channel A-B of the TRU 4.65, Dome midrange or Rears on channel C-D depending on configuration.
Mids on channel A-B of the TRU TO, Subwoofers on channel C-D.
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Just lolok at the way it sounds...ADD HX-D2 PLUS ADD Amplifier ..

.. ADD debt... Add wife = subtract life...
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Quote:
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1. Will go two way active for the moment.
2. Front Mids Hertz Hi Energy HV 165
3. Highs - Image Dyanamics NX30
4. Subs - Two iDQ 10"s
5. First Amp - One Tru Tech t03 4 channel
6. Second Amp - T4.65
7. HU currently P80RS - will suffice for this application
8. One Bulk Pak Dynamat and Audison connect cables.
9. Future wish list : HX-D2 and a dome midrange!

The 275 will be put on marketpalce shortly..
Is this now looking okay??
Very well. MY suggestions
1. The PA275 in this car will be a mess. donate it to your wife's car.
2. Adding a dome mid will require you to change your XO as well as make custom door panels to accomodate them alongside your tweeters
3. If you ever have rear passengers they wont hear much so a rear fill might make more sense
4. Doe TRU make a 6 ch amp?

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And u can always power tweeters with ur blau275 amp. As navin said,tweeters dont need more than what this amp can offer.
The PA275 will be out of place. It is too muddy/grainy to be used with Trutech and a HXD2 or even a P80. As a sub amp it is great VFM.
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Yes Navin.. I have rear passengers... two daughters and one wife... and they love music too! ... That D2 is looking unavoidable....
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Yes Navin.. I have rear passengers... two daughters and one wife... and they love music too! ... That D2 is looking unavoidable....
I think you already have that P80RS with you by now. What're you gonna do with it? Remember my name when it's ready for charity!!!!
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KB... Please. Stop yourself. Fit the equipment you have and enjoy yourself. This is a syndrome, a sickness. Please dont lose the original reason you started this quest.
I am offering you, what i believe is probably the best advice you can recieve from a friend. Stop what you are doing, look at the equipment, consider, think. Take some expert advice (not from too many people)

Then Fit what you have and fit it well. Enjoy it. Upgrade later, if it's not enough. Stop this haphazard purchase of super expensive gear.

You know something, i don't even know what music you like. Don't ever forget thats the only reason we do all this amigo.
Please don't take any offense ok? I mean well. Really I do.

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Quote:
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KB... Please. Stop yourself. Fit the equipment you have and enjoy yourself. This is a syndrome, a sickness.
So true... KB apne aap ko sambhalo (has to be the most oft used line in Ekta Kapoors soaps).... (dramatic music.... echo and fade..... )
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KB, I agree with Sam and Gunbir.

I am still shocked that you purchased the TRU tech amp without so much as an idea as to where your system was heading. Now that you have it would be nice to enjoy it.
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KB I was silent as I have realised that the track u have chossen is not a cheap track it will be hell a lot expensive one. If u can understand my point which i am gonna say then u will be enjoying a lot with ur system. And I am gonna say it just once for u only.....

Go for 2-way passive with ID chamleons right now with p80rs. with 2 channels on the front and the other two channels on the subs. And if u wanna a rear fill put ur pa275. U can switch it on and off as u like or as the passenger.

Dont spent ur hard own money like this, I might be sounding a little strange here but the amount u have spent is enough to sound ur car the best one in ur city or even ur state also. So now stop and think about ....

This active and passive will not get u nothing...... So do what u think is best.........
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OUCH OUCH OUCH .... OKAY OKAY WOKAY...!!

Point noted and everything PARKED!

So now to Install!! - what has been bought!

Gunman... Plnns frozen??.. Crab getting old!!
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JK just FYI (OT) I found this quoted on diyaudio.com and thought it would be useful.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...0&pagenumber=1

In order of fidelity, here's how sub designs rank:
1) Large IB sub, Qtc 0.4 to 0.5
2) Sealed box sub, with Linkwitz transform
3) Sealed box sub, no Linkwitz transform, Qtc 0.4 to 0.566 range
3) Ported alignment with no peaking and shallow roll off to Fb, (lower Q), ~ -3 to -6 dB at Fb.
4) Conventional ported alignment, maximally flat
5) High order ported sub alignments using EQ- Chebyschev or other alignments
5) PR subs.
5) Well designed bandpass subs

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