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Old 13th November 2006, 11:01   #361
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But KB got it from abroad!
Yes!!! From Singapore.
If you're very much in yearning for the extreme, then try that way to keep it cheaper.
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OK! Finally I think I have got all the stuff I need for the install...
Well almost everything...

2 Bulk packs of Dynamat Extreme (72 sq ft)
Adire Audio Brahma 15 D2 subwoofer...
Audison LRx Amps
0 Gauge Scosche Dual amp wiring


The Sub is made to order and as expected is pure technology and minimalistic marketing hype. The only thing which identifies the sub is a small sticker put on the side of the magnet, giving model details...
(I didn't like their logo and asked them to spare my sub of that).
The damn thing is huge and heavy and the magnets discolor my television screen from 3 ft distance...
Also the sub can be used both for Car and in house entertainment.


Now it's time to
1. design a box for the sub and execute it...
I am planning to go for 2-2.5 cu ft sealed box, filled with Polyfill.
Do we get polyfill here? If not what will be a good alternative?
Any good link to designing a good sub box?

2. Go for the install
Please send me links to all good ICE install guides... Tips & tricks and Best practices...
I am also trying to figure out where to get the setup done...
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2 Bulk packs of Dynamat Extreme (72 sq ft)
Adire Audio Brahma 15 D2 subwoofer...
Audison LRx Amps
0 Gauge Scosche Dual amp wiring
Hmmmm.. quiet a lot of interesting stuff.
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Now it's time to
1. design a box for the sub and execute it...
I am planning to go for 2-2.5 cu ft sealed box, filled with Polyfill.
Do we get polyfill here? If not what will be a good alternative?
Any good link to designing a good sub box?
That can be done with. Get in touch with any good installer.
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I am also trying to figure out where to get the setup done...
In Bangy, there's the best! Deepak Asrani. He is not doing many installs these days. But, you can still try your stars.

Or you can go to the current favorites; EBbASS and Autofusion. Anwar from Autofusion is great when it comes to neat installs and he is not less in tuning too. Speak to some installers about your stuff. They should be able to understand what you're looking for.
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Old 24th November 2006, 02:29   #364
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OK! Finally I think I have got all the stuff I need for the install...
Well almost everything...

2 Bulk packs of Dynamat Extreme (72 sq ft)
Adire Audio Brahma 15 D2 subwoofer...
Audison LRx Amps
0 Gauge Scosche Dual amp wiring


The Sub is made to order and as expected is pure technology and minimalistic marketing hype. The only thing which identifies the sub is a small sticker put on the side of the magnet, giving model details...
(I didn't like their logo and asked them to spare my sub of that).
The damn thing is huge and heavy and the magnets discolor my television screen from 3 ft distance...
Also the sub can be used both for Car and in house entertainment.


Now it's time to
1. design a box for the sub and execute it...
I am planning to go for 2-2.5 cu ft sealed box, filled with Polyfill.
Do we get polyfill here? If not what will be a good alternative?
Any good link to designing a good sub box?

2. Go for the install
Please send me links to all good ICE install guides... Tips & tricks and Best practices...
I am also trying to figure out where to get the setup done...

Hi ST, some questions/comments:

> What about speakers... Are you planning on using your OE speakers with the 4ch amp? If you are...

> And Head Unit? Theres a Scosche kit for the Civic that lets you do a double DIN conversion. Or are you looking at using the OE HU? In which case what LOCs are you gonna use?

> Re the Brahma 15... As far as I know, Brahma 15 hasnt been in production for a while, and if you bought it online, and its without any branding, badging, then its probably a recone, cuz those are the ones going around...

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Thanks Speedzak for your ever prompt response!


Welcome back Gunbir after a long silence...
Now to answer to your questions...


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What about speakers... Are you planning on using your OE speakers with the 4ch amp? If you are...
Ah, How can that be? To start with, I will be using Hertz (HSK165) or Focal components for the front. For rear I am continuing with OE fills for now.
Still not decided whether I want rear fill or not?

Also considering the above speaker setup... What configuration should I use 4.300 in? As I have components in front and OE speakers in rear?




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And Head Unit? Theres a Scosche kit for the Civic that lets you do a double DIN conversion. Or are you looking at using the OE HU? In which case what LOCs are you gonna use?
Not sure if such a kit exists for Right Hand Drive model.
Anyway, to start with I am going with OE HU and will compare with with after market HU during the install and see if I need to add it.

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Re the Brahma 15... As far as I know, Brahma 15 hasnt been in production for a while, and if you bought it online, and its without any branding, badging, then its probably a recone, cuz those are the ones going around...
They are now produced only against specific order. No doubt about authenticity of the sub. The whole purchase process was very transparent to me. It was bought online from their authorised seller in US and then shipped by Adire Audio directly to us. In fact I even got an opportunity to discuss my specific needs with an Adire technical person and finally tracked my order via UPS
(Not to put their logo on dust cap was my request! If you see their logo you might understand why)

I read about reconed subs doing rounds (both Brahma & IDs) so I was extra careful to ensure that I get the correct stuff.

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To start with, I will be using Hertz (HSK165) or Focal components for the front. For rear I am continuing with OE fills for now.
Still not decided whether I want rear fill or not?

Also considering the above speaker setup... What configuration should I use 4.300 in? As I have components in front and OE speakers in rear?
Drive the OE rear speakers from the OE HU, so pretty much leave it as it is.

For the front, I suggest you audition the speakers. The Focals (metal dome tweet) and the Hertz Hi-Energy (tetolon soft dome tweet) sound very different. You will like one more than the other. I know you have auditioned Focals earlier, and you have also heard the Hi-Energy (albeit 3way). You may be able to audition them again, side by side, at Sprocket. If you like the Focal (metal tweet) sound, you may like to audition the Hertz Energy comps as well.

As for amp configuration, bridge the channels to make the 4.300 into a 2ch and give 210w x2 into your front stage. Set the gains properly and you will have loads of headroom and will get great dynamics from your front stage.
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As for amp configuration, bridge the channels to make the 4.300 into a 2ch and give 210w x2 into your front stage. Set the gains properly and you will have loads of headroom and will get great dynamics from your front stage.
Will Hertz HSK 165 be able to handle 210W power? I remember they were only 100 W or something. How do I set it up and make sure that I do not blow them off..?
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Will Hertz HSK 165 be able to handle 210W power? I remember they were only 100 W or something. How do I set it up and make sure that I do not blow them off..?
Remember, it is 100w of music power, not a continous test signal. Music plays in bursts, so even if you are giving 200w to your speakers, they probably never see more than 100+ watts continously. Of course, installation is very important. Damp and seal your doors, mount the speakers properly, set the xo and gains properly, and you will have no issues... And dont forget, you will have warranty...
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St, you have anyway came this far. Why avoid rear fills? They wont be much a difference.

Get coaxials of the same range as your compos. Your car will have a filled sound.

If you ain't, then do as Gunbir said with connections. Afterall, he is the hertz man. If it burns with B&W, then he'll be replacing it!
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Frankly, I can;t decide between rear fills sounding fuller or compromise on quality. So I have parked it for now.
If I go for rear fills, it will be 6.5" components - same as the one I use on front.

Ok, Coming back to the Subwoofer box...
Is it just volume that matters for the sealed box or is there something else to designing a good box...?
Please let me know soon as I would get the box work started over the weekend...

My Subwoofer specs:
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Qts: 0.47 [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Qes: 0.52[/SIZE][/FONT]
Qms: 5.3
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Fs: 26 Hz [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]EBP = Fs / Qes = 50 (so it can be either sealed or ported)[/SIZE][/FONT]
Vas: 99.1 ltr

Znom: 1ohm (??? what is this ???)
Re: 0.65 ohm parallel (??? what is this ???)
Le 2.2 mH Parallel (??? what is this ???)
BL: 14.33
Sd: 749 cm2
Xmas: 27.32mm
Thermal power handling: 1600 W (RMS), 4800 W (Peak)

Since it is a 2 ohm dual coil
I intend to run it at 1 ohm @ 900 W RMS (mostlikely)
or at 4 ohm @ 350W (unlikely)
but with appropriate gain to balance out with rest of music.


Thinking of 2 cu ft box... Please advice....
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Thermal power handling: 1600 W (RMS), 4800 W (Peak)
is this of bramha...............??????????
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Yes it is!
4th generation Brahma.
All specs from the manual.

But they say that depending on the enclosure even 650 watts may be enough to do full excursion.

And mind you there are no dimples on the surround even at max excursion!
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sir if you dont mind the website say the brahma is rated 600 watts but the link you sent says 1600 watts....now which one is the correct one....

Brahma Subwoofers by Adire Audio®

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The second link says 1600W RMS.
First link seems to have a typo.
My manual says it is 1600W and the same was told to me by Adire guy.

it is likely that they missed a 1, as all other brahma documentation says 1600W, Incl my sub design software.

From what I have read people have successfully run it with 2200W RMS.
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Frankly, I can;t decide between rear fills sounding fuller or compromise on quality. So I have parked it for now.
If I go for rear fills, it will be 6.5" components - same as the one I use on front.


This doesnt sound like a good option to me.
Finish your Sub & box discussions (I am not much into it), I'll explain why.
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